Weapons: S&W 500 mag revolver.

[Gumpokc]

I got to shoot one of those beasts yesturday.

It's definately a handful, but not as bad as i expected.
Very accurate,well...at least for the first shot, anyone who says that can fire it fast, ontarget with dbl action is liar. :)

DBL action trigger pull is very very heavy. heavy enough i can't even keep the wepon centered on target while trying to fire it that way.
honestly it reminded me of trying to cut light stainless flange material with tin snips.

single action, she's a dream, crisp, clean letoff, but she definately lets you knwo when you pull the trigger.

more than 3-4 shots in a short period would almost require a shooting glove for the firing hand, to prevent the checkering in the grips from chewing your hand up.

I think she'd be good for huntin dem piggies, that is if you really wanted to do it with a pistol, and possibly long range steel plates, have to try it at longer ranges next time.

[Enders]

I have a massive revolver fetish, and I must say, that is one of the revolvers at the top of my "Must have/shoot" list.
sounds awesome

[GrosPoisson]

single action, she's a dream, crisp, clean letoff, but she definately lets you knwo when you pull the trigger.

more than 3-4 shots in a short period would almost require a shooting glove for the firing hand, to prevent the checkering in the grips from chewing your hand up.

I hear that. I fired one of those last May right after I emptied a .44 Desert Eagle mag, and there was a world of difference in the way my hand felt. I'm a small guy, and when that hammer dropped I felt it. The barrel ended up 90 degrees relative to the ground after the first shot, and probably wasn't too far from clocking me in the forehead.

[GoatChomper]

.....and probably wasn't too far from clocking me in the forehead.
Interestingly enough, the death of a child here in San Antonio last year was attributed to exactly that.....struck in the head by a recoiling S&W 500.

[GrosPoisson]

Huh. Out of curiosity, how old was the kid?

[GoatChomper]

Nine years old, as I recall.

[CheeseSteakJim]

Let a nine year old shoot the most powerful production handgun in the world... real smart.

[The WOOO Meister]

Proof that you should always wear your helmet. It's for the children.

[vecdran]

Nine years old, as I recall.

Well isn't that smart.

[GoatChomper]

Egads, people.....don't go getting Sarah Brady-ish. As this is the one and only incident I can recall of a death from handgun recoil, I'd say it's not a problem.

[Mr.P]

Egads, people.....don't go getting Sarah Brady-ish. As this is the one and only incident I can recall of a death from handgun recoil, I'd say it's not a problem.

No, the problem is, somehow someone either willingly (god I hope not), or through negiligence allowed this child to handle this gun loaded. From there, the problem is when some jackass gets their or some other kid killed, it hurts the other 99% of the gun owning population that aren't fuckheads. Its that 1% of the gun owning population that will be the death knell for private firearms ownership in this country. Just like cell phones and driving. Couple asshats try to talk, drive, and eat their Taco Bell at the same time and blamo, nobody can drive with cell phones.

[Milkman Dan]

I remember a teacher of mine, who is a former Marine sniper, was talking about when he fired the .454 Casull. I think he said it was something like 350 or 450 grain, and it smacked him in the forehead. Mind you, he was still in the service at the time.

[GrosPoisson]

I haven't fired anything chambered in Casull, but the videos I've seen of people firing Casull revolvers definitely make it look on par with S&W 500 rounds in terms of energy.

The S&W 500 felt barrel-heavy to me, so maybe that helped in preventing the front sight from leaving an imprint in my forehead.

[GoatChomper]

No, the problem is, somehow someone either willingly (god I hope not), or through negiligence allowed this child to handle this gun loaded.
An unloaded one isn't very good for target shooting, now is it?

[Mr.P]

An unloaded one isn't very good for target shooting, now is it?


When you go target shooting, do you leave your loaded weapons around 9 year olds?

[Skyler]

Is it that hard for some of you to accept that he took his 9 year old target shooting?

[Milkman Dan]

Wee! This is starting to turn into a Firebox thread.

[Mr.P]

Is it that hard for some of you to accept that he took his 9 year old target shooting?


Christ, people. There is NO situation where a 9 year old should be allowed to handle THIS HANDGUN loaded. If he got it on accident, then the person who owns it is NEGLIGENT. Its no different then letting your 9 year old drive your car, or drink a fifth of whiskey.

This is not a gun rights, or anything else issue. Its someone who got stupid and lazy about keeping an eye on their child and/or their loaded firearm, and I have no respect for people who don't respect their weapons.

[vecdran]

I think what Mr. P is trying to say is he has no problem with letting kids shoot. He has a problem with letting a child fire a weapon of this caliber.

[Mr.P]

I think what Mr. P is trying to say is he has no problem with letting kids shoot. He has a problem with letting a child fire a weapon of this caliber.

Thank you, at least somebody gets where I'm coming from......had it been with a .22 I would have chalked it up to an unfortunate event that probably could still have been avoided with better supervision, but with a .50 cal handgun? No excuse.

[GoatChomper]

When you go target shooting, do you leave your loaded weapons around 9 year olds?
Only when it was a tactical-shooting scenario requiring them to pick it up themselves.

Whence this sudden Barr-esque sentiment that some calibers shouldn't be handled by a nine-year-old, especially in light of the fact that this is the one and only incident to which anyone can point of this happening while Junior is out plinking with relatives?

[Mr.P]

I guess I will never understand then.....to me its just common sense that there are some things that CHILDREN need to grow into. I was always under the assumption that you let your kids learn on, say, a .22, but I guess that's just silly. Might as well go take them big game hunting with .460 weatherbys.

We let kids drive go karts, not full size cars. Bikes, not motorcycles. Pop, not beer. .22s and .410s until they're big enough to actually physically handle recoil effects.

Sure, it only happenend once. If it happens numerous times, then poof, weapons bans. Responsible gun owners need to do EVERYTHING in their power to keep kids safe around guns, because when a kid gets killed is when the Hillary's strike, and you all know that.......

[GoatChomper]

.....to me its just common sense that there are some things that CHILDREN need to grow into. I was always under the assumption that you let your kids learn on, say, a .22, but I guess that's just silly.
Maybe they did exactly that.....nothing in the news report addressed that, being beyond its scope.

[vecdran]

For fucks sake, why are we even arguing about this. This conversation is going nowhere.

[akodo]

Only when it was a tactical-shooting scenario requiring them to pick it up themselves.

Whence this sudden Barr-esque sentiment that some calibers shouldn't be handled by a nine-year-old, especially in light of the fact that this is the one and only incident to which anyone can point of this happening while Junior is out plinking with relatives?

Thing is if someone came up with a tactical-shooting scenario that required the 9 year old to pick up a loaded handgun by themselves, i'd walk away from that tactical shooting scenario.

aside from 'lawsuit prevention' responses i bet the vast majority of tactical shooters would have a real problem with that.

Now, you may have a kid on the far far far extremes of the bellcurve (just like i odn't think a 35 year old with severe downs syndrome should be allowed a ccw even if he has a clean criminal record, however this does not mean i don't think pretty much any other 35 year old with a clean criminal record should also be stopped) Lets put that aside for right now.

Kids are kids. They are NOT small adults that only know less because they have had less years to recieve informaiton. Kids are still having their brain develop, as well as their bodies. This means starting them up with non-adult equipment and being much more careful as you creep up in incriments. As mentioned, this means tricycles, then small bicycles. But then, based on the size of a 9 year old kid, they simply cannot handle a normal sized 10 speed or mountain bike. Setting them on it just because they are good on a small bike is dumb and dangerous. If a 7 year old kid was a real whiz on his little kid sized bike, and the parent said "here try my adult sized mountainbike!" and said kid got on it and crashed and got hurt, that's reckless child endangerment in my book.

Look, i am all for involving kids in shooting sports, mainly based on the individual maturity of the kid themselves. For some, this means a bbgun at age 9, for others, they have their kid shooting a downsized .22 bolt action at age 4 (with extreme parent supervision) these are going to vary based on the parent and the kid. At 9, a kid may well be able to move from a .22 pistol to a 32 or 38 or 9mm, MAYBE. However when dealing with a kid you take extra care to move up in very small steps when pusing the envelope, BECAUSE IT IS A KID. This means if you are going to have a kid move up to shooting a 500S&W, you go .22-32-38-357-41-44-480-454-500 carefully observing each and every step. Or similar extra middle steps for ANYTHING a kid is doing, be it shooting, horseback riding, cooking, etc etc etc. Yes, this means more cost than if you were teaching an adult, but as i said KIDS ARE NOT SMALL ADULTS> What's that? YOu only own a .22, .357, and a 500 S&W? and the kid can handle the 357? To bad. To big of a jump and too risky when you are talking about your child's welfare. You just don't do it. (Now, your buddy, sure let him try your 500 if he can handle your 357.) While i find it extremely doubtful that a 9 year old could ever safely handle a 500 S&W, that is irrelevant. The only way a 9 year old kid should be handling such an extreme gun is oafter he/she proved themselves safe with a slightly lesser peice of equipment, after proving themselves safe with a etc etc etc. If a 500 S&W is going to recoil with enough force to kill the kid, the parent SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DETECT THIS DANGER WHEN OBSERVING THE KID HANDLE A SLIGHTLY LESS POWERFUL MEGA-REVOLVER.

Ive seen kids (although i don;t think they were 9) in races on small motorbikes. They were going at high speeds and handling the bikes weaving through other racers better than i could. (note, the motorbikes were kid sized) Now, maybe some of those kids could handle a small framed bike more designed for adults, but to take one of those kids and let him climb on my large full sized powerful bike - taht would be neglegent on my part. And if i said 'sure kid, jump on!' and that kid killed himself due to using a large and overpowered machine, i owuld probably be prosecuted with manslaughter, child endangerment, and whatever else they could think of.

Maybe they did exactly that.....nothing in the news report addressed that, being beyond its scope.

do you have a link to this story? or can you provide a few more details to aid in googling for more data?

Truthfully, this sets off my bullshit detectors.

[GoatChomper]

No, as a matter of fact I went looking for a non-pay link for it the moment the thread started but have failed.....likely a case of having to use broad search parameters. I'll try Usenet and see what responses come up.

[Kak]

I think she'd be good for huntin dem piggies
Oh my god, this is one of those cop killer guns!

[uglygun]

Other piggies, the eatin kind.

As far as the 500S&W goes, I will never get one so long as they are that god awful ugly assed stainless.

[Gumpokc]

Oh my god, this is one of those cop killer guns!


chuckle Kak, i ment feral/russain boars :D

You'll not hear me refer to a polise officer as a "pig" even in jest.

The vast majority of them, are good people doing a job, where they are caught in the middle, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

As for the few bad apples that showup amoung them, i have much better remakrs for them.

Chuckle Ugly, yeah i know the stainless is kind of glaring, but you know, i think it would grow on you, kinda like a fungus though :P

[Mr.P]

Chuckle Ugly, yeah i know the stainless is kind of glaring, but you know, i think it would grow on you, kinda like a fungus though :P

Yeah, like Ugly needs more fungus growing on him..... ;)

[akodo]

Other piggies, the eatin kind.

As far as the 500S&W goes, I will never get one so long as they are that god awful ugly assed stainless.

they need to take a page from colt. They need to camo that bastard like the .44 and .45 acconda!