Five Simple Rules of Winning any Fight

[Captain Colon]

http://www.thedisease.net/arcana/combat/5_Simple_Rules.pdf

Anyone read this? I thought it was pretty interesting and informative, especially the first section on awareness.

[Ch33zy]

Reading it ATM and it's interesting, but the opening sounds like the announcer at a monster truck derby. "And here comes GRAVE DIGGER! This car has KILLED the first thirty men who drove it and then ran over thier families!"

-E- Was a good read. Anyone ever watched or seen a review of any of the films he recomends? Theyre awful pricey.

[gYmBaG]

i actually have that on this one cd i got full of pdf's including like the art of war, and cqb and rifle marksmenship and sniping and alot of other good manuals and stuff. i never read that spacific one though :p

[Mr.P]

My philosophy in fighting, I could care less if I really win, but you better believe you're going to get something hurt bad if you come against me. Of course, being bigger then most people allows me to simply avoid most fights.

[gYmBaG]

being bigger helps yeah, but a major part in fighting is knowing how to stay calm. i havnt been in many fights, 3 in my life, losing the first one of course. but my latest one, wasnt that long ago probably like 4 months maybe 5, i was running at the park and these two guys were smoking some pot, and about the 3rd time running by them they tripped me with a stick after constantly throwing rocks at me when i was running. thankfully i stayed calm and remembered alot of what i learned from other people, ended up winning that one, mainly because i stayed calm. if you panic most likely you wont think as clearly and will forget alot of key things.

[Delta]

It's a good manual, although presented in incredibly cheesy, condescending manner; as if directed towards untrained idiots only.

Paul Vunak and some of the other recommended instructors are bar none the best, as the manual states. Although yes, as you pointed out... pricey instruction.

[SWATJester_os]

Total horseshit. Don't fall for those scams. 20 to one, none of those guys ever studied with rangers/seals etc, because the techniques they're describing are not the kind that military and LEOs use.

Military and LEO's almost 100% use grappling techniques, not strikes. Why? Because when we operate, we always have the upper hand in terms of backup. So, by simply eliminating the opponent's ability to do anything or go anywhere, by grappling, and keeping yourself safe while keeping him close, you will buy yourself enough time for your backup/squad/buddies/whatever to arrive, and kick the shit out of him and/or put cuffs on him/taser/gun to the back of head/etc. Standard ranger bat doctrine as of WAY more recently than these scam videos has been out is never to strike standing up, as you can get knocked out WAY too easily. Grapple until your buddies get there and put two in the back of his head, or until you win. Even a weak person can hold a grappling engagement for at least a couple minutes, but a striking fight is over WAY before that.


totally fucking scams, and these people are the scum of the earth


-edit- The only worthwhile portion is the first 2 parts: Maintaining situational awareness (his part one, and one of the first things military and LEO's learn) and choosing a decision point, at which time you make an action, be it running away, fighting, confronting, etc. Mentally having that point and being prepared to act immediately once it is reached, is also common sense, and his 2nd point. All his "techniques" though are largely crap.

[meifunk]

Concur.

Grappling techniques, and pressure points are your friends. The closest thing to a strike that we're taught is the Brachial Stun (or vulcan nerve pinch) which, when executed properly will put people on their faces in half a second. Don't always have time or space for that monkey business, though.

Makes for fun times with unsuspecting victims on the messdeck though. :D

Fake edit: Oh yeah, I don't count using our collapsible batons, because that's a whole different level in the UOF Continuum.

[Mr.P]

As far as remaining calm in a fight, I have about the best daily training you can get. I work with high needs mental health/mentally retarded individuals. I have to deal with 250 pound guys aggression on a regular basis. Keeping in mind that as a staff with lots of regulations governing what I can do, I can't FIGHT back, but have to instead alleviate the situation using our least restrictive methods. It takes A LOT more concentration to avoid hurting someone who's doing their best to hurt you then it does to simply knock them down or whatnot.

[SWATJester_os]

Oh very much so Mr. P. Which is the chief thing people fail to see about police officers and military, and really anyone in any kind of security position that has to maintain a rules of engagement that prohibit certain amounts of force.

[meifunk]

Oh very much so Mr. P. Which is the chief thing people fail to see about police officers and military, and really anyone in any kind of security position that has to maintain a rules of engagement that prohibit certain amounts of force.


SWAT Do you guys have a promulgated Use of Force Continuum? Ours is Six Tiers. Don't really want to go into too much detail beyond tier one.

Tier One is officer presence. Most of you can probably determine what that is from the name. Obviously it escalates from there. Also, drawing your weapon, but not drawing down on target is considered Officer Presence, but that doesn't mean you should randomly pull your weapon out of the holster and walk around with it. It's generally if you feel that you can diffuse the situation without escalating it past Officer Presence, but suspect or individual is displaying hostile/uncooperative behavior.

[SWATJester_os]

Yeah, Escalation of Use of Force:

In accordance with ROE:
Shout Show Shove Shoot.

SHOUT at the person in a commanding voice your verbal orders.

(GET ON THE FLOOR! GET DOWN ON THE FLOOR! SHOW ME YOUR HANDS, HANDS ON YOUR HEAD! HANDS ON YOUR HEAD!

SHOW them that you possess the ability to use both nonlethal and lethal force if necessary

(bring weapons to the ready, get backup, draw nonlethal weapons.)

SHOVE them physically if they do not comply with your order and posturing.

(insert non lethal force here. I.E beatdowns, stun batons, etc.)

SHOOT only as a last resort.


In reality it goes

Incident occurs....assess....shout and show....shout and show.... shove (civil operations) / shoot (combat operations).

We (my squad) operate on the principle of you get two chances to obey a calm polite command. On the third try, if you do not obey, you will be yelled at by an irate guardsman, who will now be on edge and likely to force you into compliance. If you do not comply, they will make you comply.

Basically that's how it goes.

[nojmaster]

That article's definitly from the school of "Rex Kwon Do". The awareness stuff is solid, but if you live in a city or rough neighbourhood you learn a lot of that anyway, it's just practical sense.

[Captain Colon]

-edit- The only worthwhile portion is the first 2 parts: Maintaining situational awareness (his part one, and one of the first things military and LEO's learn) and choosing a decision point, at which time you make an action, be it running away, fighting, confronting, etc. Mentally having that point and being prepared to act immediately once it is reached, is also common sense, and his 2nd point. All his "techniques" though are largely crap.
Actually I've been told that that part was lifted from something else :p Oh well

I've always heard this page (http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/home.html) brought up repeatedly as a great resource.

"How many knife fights have you actually been in?"
"I've trained in kali for ten years"
"No, how many knife fights have you *been* in?"
"I'm trained in five different knife fighting systems ..."

[Shadow]

Bit different here.

Our force continum is:

Presence - Your physical presence with or without non-lethal/lethal weapons systems.
Voice Command - Use twice (Politely first, second give instructions).
Soft Open Hands - "Attitude Adjuster" - Shove away.
Hard Empty Hands - Physically restrain using grappling techniques.
Filled Hands - Baton & Handcuff, Close Quarters Fighting.
Potential Lethal Force - Firearm.

Relatively the same thing though.

edit: Pretty colors :D

[Ch33zy]

-stuff-

Advice taken.

[SWATJester_os]

Actually I've been told that that part was lifted from something else :p Oh well

I've always heard this page (http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/home.html) brought up repeatedly as a great resource.

I've only looked through a bit of that page, but when clicking on the knife fighting page, a quick scan reveals their advice is "Don't do it, getting in a fight is already going to be a lot of hassle, but bringing a knife into it will only get you killed or in jail".........seems sound to me.

I haven't seen anything thus far that jumps out at me as flagrantly retarded/rexkwando.

[Captain Colon]

I haven't seen anything thus far that jumps out at me as flagrantly retarded/rexkwando.
You probably won't find anything...most of the stuff there is along the lines of "if you have to get physical you're already halfway to fucked in the ass," it's mostly geared towards how to not make yourself a target in the first place and how to identify potential attackers. Nothing at all on actual kungfujitsu moves guaranteed to stop an attacker DEAD, except that they usually don't work and the ones that do are usually illegal.

[SWATJester_os]

Moves are not illegal in of themselves.

[gYmBaG]

they are if you end up killing them

[SWATJester_os]

The moves themselves are not illegal. The illegality is in the taking of someones life, not in the method used to do that. It nowhere in United States Code says " Performing the ultra secret death monkey move shall be a class A misdemeanor" blah blah blah. You hit someone, it's assault, unless you can justify it. You kill someone it's manslaughter or worse, unless you can justify it. Whether the authorities charge your or not is another story, but the moves you use to do so are immaterial in their legality.

[gYmBaG]

i think he just probably thought that, killing someone or assaulting them. who knows, but yeah you can and will get charged, but you can just as easily justify your self, if it was self defense that is

[GoatChomper]

The moves themselves are not illegal. The illegality is in the taking of someones life, not in the method used to do that. It nowhere in United States Code says " Performing the ultra secret death monkey move shall be a class A misdemeanor" blah blah blah.
Whenever some would-be mall ninja told me "My hands are registered by law with the state as deadly weapons" I always made a point of laughing as loudly as possible.....preferably in front of his friends.

[meifunk]

Mall ninja!? HAHAHAHA

[Shadow]

Here's our definition of Assault here in Australia - and I'm pretty sure that it's the same abroad:

Assault is the direct or indirect application of force by one person to another without a lawful excuse with intent to harm.

There are six defenses to being charge for assault. They are:


Consent - If a person invites you to hit them.
Amicable Contest - Friendly banter, where someone is injured.
Misadventure/Accident - You're leading someone out of a bar who's intoxicated, and as you let them go, they fall backwards smashing the back of their head killing themselves.
Execution of the Law - Justified Use of force to prevent an offense.
Lawful Chastisement - Disciplining a child etc.
Self-Defense - Of yourself or another.

[Captain Colon]

Mall ninja!? HAHAHAHA
Looks like somebody hasn't been initiated yet! (http://www.mallninja.com/)

[SWATJester_os]

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[gYmBaG]

Looks like somebody hasn't been initiated yet! (http://www.mallninja.com/)
lol thats hilarioius