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SWATJester_os
August 31st, 2005, 02:48 AM
Overseas deployments hinder
Guard hurricane presence

By Pete Yost
Associated Press

Some 6,000 National Guard personnel in Louisiana and Mississippi who would be available to help deal with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina are in Iraq, highlighting the changing role of America’s part-time soldiers.

“The juxtaposition of the mission to Iraq and the response to Katrina really demonstrates the new and changing character of the National Guard,” Daniel Goure, a military analyst at the private Lexington Institute, said Monday.

The war has forced the Guard into becoming an operational force, a far cry from its historic role as a strategic reserve primarily available to governors for disasters and other duties in their home states.

At 1.2 million soldiers, the active duty military is simply too small to carry the load by itself when there is a large sustained deployment like Iraq. Nationally, 78,000 of the 437,000 members of the Guard force are serving overseas.

As part of the transformation during the war effort, the National Guard has promised governors that at least 50 percent of soldiers and airmen will be available for stateside duty at all times. In most cases, the rate is well above 50 percent.

Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said the Gulf states have adequate National Guard units to handle the hurricane needs, with at least 60 percent of the Guard available in each state.

In Louisiana, which took the brunt of Katrina, some 3,000 members of the 256th Combat Brigade are in Iraq, while 3,500 members of the Guard were deployed to help hurricane victims and another 3,000 were on standby.

In neighboring Mississippi, the Guard had 853 troops on hurricane duty — a small slice of the more than 7,000 Guard troops in the state’s ground and air components. Some 3,000 National Guard troops from Mississippi are in Iraq, another 300 in Afghanistan.

The states in the hurricane’s path have relatively large Guard forces. But some states with smaller Guard forces and a high percentage of soldiers in Iraq have expressed concern that they may be stretched too thin.

For example, about 1,800 of Idaho’s 4,400 Guard troops are serving overseas, a somewhat worrisome figure for officials facing a high risk of forest fires in the middle of a drought — fires that Guardsmen would help fight by providing logistical support to front-line firefighters.

Mark Allen, spokesman at the national headquarters for the National Guard, said officials are confident the Guard can serve its dual roles.

“We’ve always done both. It’s just on a bigger scale today,” he said.

Mr.P
August 31st, 2005, 03:09 AM
Trying to avoid any personal opinion I have on Iraq......

This is one of my primary issues with deploying guard units at such high numbers. We don't realize how active and important the guard is to helping out in these kind of situations. The hurricane season is still young (sadly), if another were to hit one of the already effected states, well....jeez, I don't even want to consider it. Oh well, I can't control it, but it certainly worries me at times. Living in Ohio, where we've had a lot of guard deaths, I know we use our guard locally a lot. During tornado season, and in some of the heavy snows, we rely on guard units to assist local officials.

GrosPoisson
August 31st, 2005, 03:18 AM
Yeah, it was like that when I lived back in Wisconsin too.

meifunk
August 31st, 2005, 03:30 AM
:salute:

Thanks SWAT. I've heard from some friends stationed in that area that we're (CG) is also getting an ass-kicking. Anyone here in that area? If they solicit for Active Duty TAD, I'm going to volunteer.

SWATJester_os
August 31st, 2005, 06:02 AM
Not sure what you're saying....you want TAD to help out in Louisiana? If you get the chance do it.

I got the call this morning, "hey do you want to do about 30 days SAR/security missions in New Orleans? 7 days of SAR, the rest of the month security ops."

I said "I would love to just do the 7 days of SAR, but I can't take the full 30 days out of school......and my back is too bad to do security ops for extended time....sorry."

meifunk
August 31st, 2005, 06:23 AM
Yeah. Unfortunately on the Active Duty side of the house, we rarely see solicitation. Reserve gets all the chances to help out in situations like this. Sigh, damn you operational commitments.

But I am keeping my ear to the ground, so to speak. I've got some friends in high places. I'm so glad I'm in the small service.

SWATJester_os
August 31st, 2005, 07:03 PM
Well you have more luck as a coastie getting to do that kinda thing, I heard they have a hospital ship out there, as well as doing SAR....Guardsmen get the chances on the Army side of things here, but then again it's our mission to do so.

Mr.P
August 31st, 2005, 09:40 PM
At least you guys are in a position to get called to help, as a non-military citizen, other then financial help, which I'm not really in a position to give, I just have to sit back and feel kind of helpless. I think every good American should be willing to take a temporary tax hike or something to help recovery in a situation like this that is truly on scale much worse then 9/11 as far as destruction and displacement of people is concerned.

I think its going to really put some Iraq issues into focus though, hope I'm not just starting a flame war with this......but I know at least for myself, and i'm sure others, its going to be hard to justify spending billions of dollars to rebuild Iraq when for the next few months, at the least, a million Americans are essentially refugees.

Ch33zy
September 1st, 2005, 01:54 AM
At least you guys are in a position to get called to help, as a non-military citizen, other then financial help, which I'm not really in a position to give, I just have to sit back and feel kind of helpless. I think every good American should be willing to take a temporary tax hike or something to help recovery in a situation like this that is truly on scale much worse then 9/11 as far as destruction and displacement of people is concerned.

The problem is, how long will temporary be? The government has a tendancy to get used to that extra money a grow into it, so to speak.

SWATJester_os
September 1st, 2005, 02:40 AM
At least you guys are in a position to get called to help, as a non-military citizen, other then financial help, which I'm not really in a position to give, I just have to sit back and feel kind of helpless. I think every good American should be willing to take a temporary tax hike or something to help recovery in a situation like this that is truly on scale much worse then 9/11 as far as destruction and displacement of people is concerned.

I think its going to really put some Iraq issues into focus though, hope I'm not just starting a flame war with this......but I know at least for myself, and i'm sure others, its going to be hard to justify spending billions of dollars to rebuild Iraq when for the next few months, at the least, a million Americans are essentially refugees.


You can volunteer with the Red Cross Disaster Relief if you really mean it.

Mr.P
September 1st, 2005, 02:47 AM
You can volunteer with the Red Cross Disaster Relief if you really mean it.


Would love to, but then the bank would come take my truck from me and my land lord would probably sue me. Sadly living mostly paycheck to paycheck leaves me in a bit of a quandry other then donating blood, which I do already anyways.

And true enough that someone would probably find a way to use extra money for the wrong purpose, which is just sad. One of the good, and bad things about a democracy is that it brings out the best, and worst in people. For every person donating money/time/items there's some other jerkass charging $500 for a hotel room or jacking gas prices up (Heard some gas station in Atlanta put them over $5 a gallon).

Toastar
September 10th, 2005, 04:01 AM
SWAT, do you know if its against Posse Comitatus for the regular forces to be used in New Oleans against the looters?

Garryowen
September 10th, 2005, 07:12 AM
This is why States should have a State Guard (militia) in addition to a the current National Guard system (Texas and a few other states have them now).

SWATJester_os
September 10th, 2005, 08:37 AM
No it is not against Posse Comitatus.

BattleWhack
September 10th, 2005, 07:06 PM
On my base we're working overtime supporting the squadrons flying in support of things down there. Wish I could go down myself, but higher ups said no.

Milkman Dan
September 10th, 2005, 10:17 PM
Anyone know if Lugo is down there? His skills seem like they would be very useful down there, and isn't he in the 82nd?

SWATJester_os
September 10th, 2005, 10:31 PM
He may well be, I haven't seen him on these forums yet.