Mohammad Sidique Khan, pre suicide recording

[Modest Genius]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40754000/jpg/_40754470_khan203.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4206800.stm
I'm going to keep this short and to the point because it's all been said before by far more eloquent people than me.

And our words have no impact upon you, therefore I'm going to talk to you in a language that you understand.

Our words are dead until we give them life with our blood.

I'm sure by now the media's painted a suitable picture of me, this predictable propaganda machine will naturally try to put a spin on things to suit the government and to scare the masses into conforming to their power and wealth-obsessed agendas.

I and thousands like me are forsaking everything for what we believe.

Our driving motivation doesn't come from tangible commodities that this world has to offer.

Our religion is Islam - obedience to the one true God, Allah, and following the footsteps of the final prophet and messenger Mohammed... This is how our ethical stances are dictated.

Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world.

And your support of them makes you directly responsible, just as I am directly responsible for protecting and avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters.

Until we feel security, you will be our targets. And until you stop the bombing, gassing, imprisonment and torture of my people we will not stop this fight.

We are at war and I am a soldier. Now you too will taste the reality of this situation.

A second part of the tape was less clear, but he could be heard saying:

I myself, I myself, I make dua (pray) to Allah... to raise me amongst those whom I love like the prophets, the messengers, the martyrs and today's heroes like our beloved Sheikh Osama Bin Laden, Dr Ayman al-Zawahri and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and all the other brothers and sisters that are fighting in the... of this cause.

With this I leave you to make up your own minds and I ask you to make dua to Allah almighty to accept the work from me and my brothers and enter us into gardens of paradise.
comments? can blair truely claim that british foreign policy has nothing to do with the bombings any more? or is this less explicit than that?

[Degree:N]

Is Blair really claiming that the bombings had nothing to do with Foreign Policy/Iraq invasion? That's odd...

Of course now you have the scenario of not backing down to terrorist demands, which means staying in Iraq.

The terrorist says "avenging my Muslim brothers and sisters" which would indicate Brit foreign policy retaliation, but it is not very specific. Also "Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world", is also a bit vague. Who knows what this guy is babbling about?

[GoatChomper]

Your democratically elected governments continuously perpetuate atrocities against my people all over the world.
Funny, how none of them ever cite any of these alleged atrocities that have kept the Islamic world down.

Would that include the massive amounts of aid and investment in the infrastructure that's made the Gulf states fantastically rich?

[Modest Genius]

Is Blair really claiming that the bombings had nothing to do with Foreign Policy/Iraq invasion? That's odd...yup. he seems to be about the only person in the country who believes it though

he seems to me to be suggesting that one of the motivations was the fact that the british people reelected blair despite of iraq (failing to notice that the vast majority of the people were and remain against invading). that could also explain some of the timing, two months (since the election) seems a reasonable time to build the bombs, plan and then launch the attack

ill agree its not very specific. what is somewhat telling is that in the same video al-zawahri said it was a retaliation for iraq and palestine, although theres no way that can be confirmed as the attackers motives, unless there are other videos

oh and goat, hes a terrorist. i think hypocrasy is one of the least of his crimes, and hardly a surprising one

[SWATJester_os]

I'd say it's more Blair's domestic policy that feeds the jihadis

[Modest Genius]

I'd say it's more Blair's domestic policy that feeds the jihadisuh, how?

sure, the over-the-top curtailing of civil rights is a generally bad thing, but i cant see how that can be construed as an 'atrocity against my people'

[SWATJester_os]

I was referring to his allowing jihadist activity to fester in segregated, radical, fundamentalist muslim neighborhoods in england. Where it's well known that imam's preach death and hate, but nothing was done about it until recently.

[FaKToR]

Wait, what exactly is your solution Swat?

[SWATJester_os]

I don't have one, I haven't taken the time to sit and think about it.

[Modest Genius]

dont be stupid, the finsbury park mosque was closed down over a year ago because of hate preaching, and abu hamza was arrested months before the bombings. try again

and incidentally, ive never seen a 'segregated, radical, fundamentalist muslim neighborhoods in england'. every muslim community ive ever seen may have been a little lacking on the integration front, but ive never known any area where the predominant beliefs were radical or fundamentalist. whilst that doesnt mean they dont exist, it does show that the problem must be much smaller than you, or blair, are suggesting

[SWATJester_os]

And that's the only one? Please, don't tell me there's only one violent mosque in England. And I blame blair for not shutting it down until NOW...he's had years to shut it down.

[FaKToR]

Shut down a mosque? Can he shut down temples and churchs too?

[SWATJester_os]

If they were advocating murder and genocide, yeah I'd well expect him to.

[FaKToR]

Would you expect that in the U.S. too?

[SWATJester_os]

We already can and have done that before.

[FaKToR]

I'm not sure what level of advocating violence you're talking about, but if it's limiting free speech it seems a bit extreme on it's face.

[SWATJester_os]

Free speech CAN be limited in certain situations.

[FaKToR]

I'm aware of that, but it takes an awful lot to get that far.

[SWATJester_os]

As it well should but the problem is there are places that ARE that far and beyond.

[Col.Kurtz]

its bs hes lieing BS

[Modest Genius]

And that's the only one? Please, don't tell me there's only one violent mosque in England. And I blame blair for not shutting it down until NOW...he's had years to shut it down.erm, yes, thats why it was shut down years ago, in january 2003 to be exact. and reopened in february this year under new management.

and i very much doubt that there are several entire mosques who incite terrorism. one or two preachers and imams at a few, yes, but they are dealth with by the mosque itself or the various muslim bodies and councils, such as the muslim council of britain

[SWATJester_os]

And why wasn't it shut down in 2001? Or in 1999? or earlier than that. And the imams aren't dealt with at all, that's why the problem is still there...what exactly has the muslim council done?

[Modest Genius]

it wasnt shut down earlier because hamza didnt arrive until 2001/2, cant remember exactly

swat, thats my point. what problem?

[SWATJester_os]

The problem of fundamentalist imams preaching armed insurrection against the West, with any punishment to them coming either too little or too late.

[FaKToR]

Keep in mind there is no Muslim clergy, call them what you will they are not an organized clergy, nor acting on official capacity. It would be like me reading the bible, memorizing some parts and then calling myself a clergy member for Christianity.

[Modest Genius]

as far as i am concerned, indeed as far as most thinking brits are concerned, that is not currently a problem in our country, whatever the scare tactics employed

however, it may well become one, and is a problem in other countries (notably pakistan and jordan), hence the moves to make it illegal

[SWATJester_os]

de facto vs. de jure......