Cops Looting New Orleans Walmart after Katrina

[ripper]

http://www.riotvideo.com/Cops_Looting_New_Orleans_Walmart_after_Katrina.htm l

Sad.

[Captain Colon]

more like old

[StandingCow]

Now if they were taking food... fine.. people need to eat so taking food is ok, and some clothes. But shoes? And then lieing about it?

I hope those two cops are fired. And made to pay for what they took...

[General Bordinko]

Now if they were taking food... fine.. people need to eat so taking food is ok, and some clothes. But shoes? And then lieing about it?

I hope those two cops are fired. And made to pay for what they took...

The only fired those two would get from me would be from a .45

That is intolarable. Looters for non critical items (electronics, swingsets, jewerly) should be shot on sight.

[Captain Colon]

How the fuck do you loot a swingset and where do you put it?

[General Bordinko]

didnt you see the whole video where the one guy was dragging a dora the explorer swingset out the door?

[Captain Colon]

rofl no

[ScAvenger001]

I'm going to move this to the firebox to see what happens.

[Airborne506]

didnt you see the whole video where the one guy was dragging a dora the explorer swingset out the door?

lawl where'd you see that? And I don't mind if these people are taking food or clothing if they need it but god damn, you don't need a power wheels WHEN REAL CARS ARE UNDER THE FUCKING WATER.

[Catamite]

I posted this in a thread in the OTF, but http://mgno.html has some firsthand accounts as well as some webcam footage of this kind of crap.

Yeah, it's depressing but remember these people are (currently) just theives which is something of a blessing as rape and murder are increasingly common (even in the superdome for christ's sake). People have been firing rifles at police stations and shit apparently.

The police thefts MIGHT be legitimate, even though they seem frivilous (and some probably are). They apparently have NO command structure, so it's possible they're trying to rip radios or walkie-talkies out of shit. Jungle gyms might be being salvaged for material, who knows. It's a fuckin' zoo down there.

[phide]

Bush stated that he has a zero tolerance policy on looting, but I don't believe the word's getting out. A shoot on sight policy might be welcome.

The rapings are unbelievable. People scuttle for safety in the dome, and once they think they've found relative calm and find themselves at ease, they get maliciously raped, beaten and robbed. Revolting is one word that can't even begin to describe such a disgusting and vile situation. Plucking the eyes out of these rapists with jagged metallic instruments would be a welcome start to the kind of punishment these animals deserve.

[Krispy Joe]

Plucking the eyes out of these rapists with jagged metallic instruments would be a welcome start to the kind of punishment these animals deserve.


Sorry, according to most black leaders, this would be racist. If the rapists were white it would be fine, though :rolleyes:


Also: Angelena Jolie of all people is souning off on the situation and how she doesn't like the response. Wow, you're the UN's "Goodwill" ambassador, don't get too ahead of yourself, now. http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/D8CCCUD8A.html

[ripper]

rofl "Hmm that doesn't look like your colour" *small black boy puts down pink skirt and runs away*

[marty]

Sorry, according to most black leaders, this would be racist. If the rapists were white it would be fine, though :rolleyes:
It's one thing to hate political correctness, but it's another thing to make a blatant lie to disparage people with legitimate grievances.

[marty]

Bush stated that he has a zero tolerance policy on looting, but I don't believe the word's getting out. A shoot on sight policy might be welcome.That's such too complicated to be put that way. Many people on the ground want the looters "taken care of", while others want the resources put to use to help in handing out aid (therby ignoring the looters). Who should we listen to? Both have valid arguments.

[Seanobi]

Wow, amazing how the comments on that page are ignoring the fact that it's about abuse of authority and pretending that the fact that these cops are black is the root of the problem.

[Psyche]

hell, I'd rather the stuff get looted and be exchanged for money/ways to get out instead of going to waste under water.

[SWATJester_os]

Because, you know, the laws no longer apply.....crime is good and all.

Thinking like that is the reason behind the looting.

[Polaris_Echoes]

The city is in total Chaos. I'm more worried about the people stuck on the roofs than some people looting a walmart.

[-V-]

I'm personally more worried about the reports of people taking pop-shots at helicopters and such. Looting, while deplorable, cannot be effectivley stoped in this situation without tying up quite a bit of resources that could be better put towords relief efforts.

[Prowl]

hell, I'd rather the stuff get looted and be exchanged for money/ways to get out instead of going to waste under water.

Did it look very wet? no, the store was not underwater, most of the looting videos i've seen are people looting stuff from stores which are under less than 2 inches of water, or none at all.

It's simply criminal activity, but I will agree that shooting people is the answer, but the people who need shooting are those who are raping, robbing and shooting at rescuers etc.

[kreket]

I was thinking along Psyche's line there, but only if the water was rising or something like that. There are plenty of situations were it is not the thief per se that is doing the unlawfull act. (Drugs for personal use, phones, vital equipment, you know the list.) Of course, there is a vast difference between mr. I NEEEED IT !! for his black market operation and someone trying to politely explain how he needs that bandage for his wounds.

Shooting looters isn't the solution. Much usefull manpower gone to waste and the death penalty is rather harsh when it's just thefth. Who knows? Maybe they had a dire need for information and thus took the tv-set and the deluxe edition was the neareast thing from the exit. ;) Devil's advocate do save innocents at times, too.

Looters shooting at rescue hellicopters should of course be met with gunships. :) Nothing like a minigun or a set of rockets to pacify someone.

[SWATJester_os]

Are you all dense? If the water level is rising to the point of ruining shit on 2 and 3 foot high shelves....GET THE FUCK OUT!!!! That means YOU SHOULDN'T BE THERE!!!!

[GoatChomper]

There are plenty of situations were it is not the thief per se that is doing the unlawfull act.
Huh? If it's not the thief doing it, then who is it.....his neighbor?

[FaKToR]

Are you all dense? If the water level is rising to the point of ruining shit on 2 and 3 foot high shelves....GET THE FUCK OUT!!!! That means YOU SHOULDN'T BE THERE!!!!
What like teleport?

[kreket]

Huh? If it's not the thief doing it, then who is it.....his neighbor?

Badly phrased on my part. Anyone declining medicine from a vast supply to someone in real need is in my opinion a criminal. There are a lot of shades of grey here, I agree with that, but that has not stopped the introduction of emergency exceptions to laws. (And the growing and decline of blind spots in a policemans eyes. "Allright, this is a warning; do not let me catch you looting again, my good man.")

If the water level is rising Swat, some places do have a set of stairs. :) Commonly built into the shop so bipedal beings can safely navigate between the roof, the street level and the storage basement that is about to become an indoor bathing area during the next hour or so. Mind you, this scenario is probably more a case of owner-approved freebies after he got some help from you moving the stuff up the stairs. Barter economy, so to speak. :p

[SWATJester_os]

If the water level is rising, then go somewhere where its not. Walk, swim, climb across rooftops, but don't use that opportunity to go loot shit.....that's how people get trapped underwater and drown. FFS....

[GoatChomper]

What like teleport?
Walk, swim, whatever it takes. Anybody with the ability who doesn't try to get out and just waits passively has nobody but themself to blame when they suck water.

Root, hog, or die.

[FaKToR]

If that were the case no one should have been stranded before the storm, I imagine it would be even harder to just walk out of a flooded area under military control to an unknown location with little supplies.

[HarryB]

If that were the case no one should have been stranded before the storm, I imagine it would be even harder to just walk out of a flooded area under military control to an unknown location with little supplies.

Or, you could of course, turn on the weather network and leave before the storm actually reaches you and go to somewhere safer.

[kreket]

If the water level is rising, then go somewhere where its not. Walk, swim, climb across rooftops, but don't use that opportunity to go loot shit.....that's how people get trapped underwater and drown. FFS....

I do realise this is different from Flordia, but none of these people died:

http://www.bt.no/multimedia/archive/00209/regn_friele_209685a.jpg

http://www.bt.no/multimedia/archive/00204/springflo_olav_tjos_204391a.jpg

http://www.bt.no/multimedia/archive/00208/springflo_bryggen_208385a.jpg

http://www.bt.no/multimedia/archive/00208/bryggen_springflo_208415a.jpg

Looters and anarchy didn't have their day, but some shopkeepers might not be too happy either. I should have a better image showing more of how the docks are at a height deisgned for large ships in that area, but alas.

[GoatChomper]

I do realise this is different from Flordia, but none of these people died.....
Not surprising, as the water appears to be no more than ankle-high and the infrastructure doesn't appear to have been wiped away by 100 mph+ winds and a twelve-foot storm surge.

[kreket]

The water is ankle high on street level but they probably had to pull out every ship from the docks - the docks being a good 2 meters taller than normal water levels.

Are we arguing the effects of water or the effects of water in 100 mph+ winds and a twelve-foot storm surge in the worst hours of the Floridan disaster?

[SWATJester_os]

My question is why are you talking about florida? Even parts of Pensacola received 8 ft. flooding. You don't see mass looting there, because Pensacolan's and other floridians know better than to stick around.

[solidsnake]

The people there shouldve have known to leave they are 20 ft below sea lvl. I mean how dumb to you got to be to stay at a place 20ft below sea lvl with a cat. 4 hurricane coming. And if it didnt happen now it would happen later and personally we should just let N.O. go cause its bound to get struck agian. And the reason why everyone is looting is because they have nothing left.

[FaKToR]

It didn't upgrade to category three until two days before hitting. It became a category four the day before it struck.

[GoatChomper]

A minor addendum.....in places, the storm surge reached twenty-seven feet.
The water is ankle high on street level but they probably had to pull out every ship from the docks - the docks being a good 2 meters taller than normal water levels.
Yeah, so? "Probably" having to move the ships is squat compared to "actually" having hundreds of square miles of places flooded up to the eaves and beyond.....that is, if the buildings to which the eaves were attached are even there any more.

Not a knock on any of you Europeans here, but the fact is that few if any of you have ever had the wrathful god Hurakán come tearing down on your ass and just don't know how powerful he is. Only a volcano blowing up comes halfway close to the devastation those things lay out.

[Moe_Rahn]

Not a knock on any of you Europeans here, but the fact is that few if any of you have ever had the wrathful god Hurakán come tearing down on your ass and just don't know how powerful he is. Only a volcano blowing up comes halfway close to the devastation those things lay out.
I believe the only way a hurricane can even hit mainland Europe is by crossing the Arctic, and even if that happens they're nearly entirely spent... in the northern hemisphere, they almost invariably travel north and west.

[kreket]

Yeah, so? "Probably" having to move the ships is squat compared to "actually" having hundreds of square miles of places flooded up to the eaves and beyond.....that is, if the buildings to which the eaves were attached are even there any more.

Those images were never meant to be compared with a hurricane. I intended them to be an alternative in an argument than to those hellish things. Most Europeans might not have seen a hurricane on first hand, but we do get the news reports where anything but a concrete bunker (and even that is pushing it at times) gets torn apart by those things.

Swat, call it bad knowledge of geography or old habits of where these storms hits. Honest mistake.

[SWATJester_os]

No problem. While I go to school up in Tallahassee (in the Florida Panhandle), I grew up in a beach town on the south east florida coast, just north of Ft. Lauderdale. I grew up with hurricanes every year. I know what it feels like to be in one, from both a citizen's point of view and a soldiers. Remember, I was still living in south florida during Andrew. My parent's office was destroyed during Charley.

The fact is that floridians are so used to hurricanes (Just as americans from northern states are used to wintery nor'easters), that we've adjusted our laws and building codes towards the greatest protection available. As such, in most of florida, building codes state you HAVE to build your home to withstand at least a category 1 or 2 storm. We have multiple evacuation routes, a huge number of shelters, and our national guard is one of the world's best hurricane response units.
Hurricanes come, and people know what to do, be it evacuate, hunker down, or stock up on supplies. We know that. That's why it's absolutely amazing that having been given all that money, Louisiana STILL couldn't fix their levee, and that the citizens of the state STILL didn't get the hell out, or adequately prepare. Yes a lot of that blame falls on the local and state gov'ts. But a lot of it falls on the people of Louisiana. Gulfport got hit even worse by the storm, but you don't see rioting in the streets there.

[M123]

From a documentary I saw the flooding of New Orleans with a class 4 hurricane was fully expected. Yet the US goverment failed to do anything about that.

[Chris R]

From a documentary I saw the flooding of New Orleans with a class 4 hurricane was fully expected. Yet the US goverment failed to do anything about that.
It isn't the federal government's job to sit on state and other local governments to make sure they prepare for things. A simulation was run months before and it predicted this situation, the governor and the mayor should have prepared accordingly.

[SWATJester_os]

M123: The federal government has far less authority to do anything than the individual state governments do within their own borders. The fact is, infrastructure and civil works projects are STATE controlled. They're expressly reserved rights of the state, and the federal government has next to no control over them.

[FaKToR]

Depends what kind of grant they get and the project.

[M123]

I didn't mean to go into the local vs federal goverment stuff, I just mean that if it was public fact that New Orleans is going to get flooded with a class 5 hurricane and the probability of such a hurrican appearing being high, why weren't plans to deal with such a situation lying ready?

[GoatChomper]

.....if it was public fact that New Orleans is going to get flooded with a class 5 hurricane and the probability of such a hurrican appearing being high, why weren't plans to deal with such a situation lying ready?
Because the real world doesn't include unlimited budgets to allocate to each and every possibility.

[M123]

Because the real world doesn't include unlimited budgets to allocate to each and every possibility.

So how many billions do you estimate it would have cost to make such a plan?

[GoatChomper]

Dunno, how much money would it take to prevent any death or destruction resulting from the New Madrid fault up the river cutting loose with another Richter 8+ or from Krakatoa blowing again?

Before going further I suggest you look at how storm categories are delineated, and notice what's absent.....any prediction of the expected amount of rainfall. If you have a seacoast area that lies under sea level, any category of storm that passes over it will result in some degree of flooding. That's just basic fluid hydrodynamics.....water flows downhill.

Any claims that the Ponchartrain levees "could" have been reinforced to withstand a (choose you Category) are purely specious because it wasn't the wind or storm surge that breached them, it was the completely unpredictable amount of water hurricanes deliver.

[SWATJester_os]

I didn't mean to go into the local vs federal goverment stuff, I just mean that if it was public fact that New Orleans is going to get flooded with a class 5 hurricane and the probability of such a hurrican appearing being high, why weren't plans to deal with such a situation lying ready?

Blame the state: Florida gets hit with severe hurricanes all the time and we don't have failures of this magnitude.

[SWATJester_os]

Dunno, how much money would it take to prevent any death or destruction resulting from the New Madrid fault up the river cutting loose with another Richter 8+ or from Krakatoa blowing again?

Before going further I suggest you look at how storm categories are delineated, and notice what's absent.....any prediction of the expected amount of rainfall. If you have a seacoast area that lies under sea level, any category of storm that passes over it will result in some degree of flooding. That's just basic fluid hydrodynamics.....water flows downhill.

Any claims that the Ponchartrain levees "could" have been reinforced to withstand a (choose you Category) are purely specious because it wasn't the wind or storm surge that breached them, it was the completely unpredictable amount of water hurricanes deliver.

Especially gulf hurricanes which are notorious for having wild-ass variances in amounts of rainfall....it's not unheard of to have a nearly dry category 4 or 5 hurricane....see Andrew for example, it's rainfall was similar to that of Charley's, that is to say, low. Yet Ivan had a huge amount of rainfall.

[pro kossu]

Any claims that the Ponchartrain levees "could" have been reinforced to withstand a (choose you Category) are purely specious because it wasn't the wind or storm surge that breached them, it was the completely unpredictable amount of water hurricanes deliver.

I was under the impression that it was the storm surges that broke the levees. Of course, that's included in the unpredictable amount of water hurricanes deliver.


The hurricane's storm surge caused several breaches in the levees protecting New Orleans, a city with a population of around 500,000, from inundation by Lake Pontchartrain. The subsequent flooding of most of New Orleans, a large part of which lies below sea level, resulted in catastrophic flood damage, many deaths, and a massive evacuation effort.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

[pro kossu]

Because the real world doesn't include unlimited budgets to allocate to each and every possibility.

As I posted in the other thread:

In early 2001, FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency of the U.S. government, listed a major hurricane hitting New Orleans as one of the three most serious threats to the nation. The other two were a terrorist attack in New York City and a large earthquake hitting San Francisco.

[FaKToR]

Florida gets hit with severe hurricanes all the time and we don't have failures of this magnitude.
Interesting, let's look at this comparison. Florida gets hit all the time, and they are prepared. One might think the reason they are prepared, is because they get hit "all the time". Now New Orleans, do they get hit "all the time" or is it more "ehh not so often"? I think it's stating the obvious to say that a place which gets hit all the time would be adept at dealing with such problems.

[SWATJester_os]

Being in close proximity to the gulf, where hurricanes can hit as far west as Galveston (and we all know what happened there), I'd think preparing your building codes for hurricanes is not unwarranted.

[GoatChomper]

I was under the impression that it was the storm surges that broke the levees.
Proof of why I think Wikipedia should be nuked. Storm surge refers to the body of water pushed over the shore from a sea, which isn't what happened to the Lake Ponchartrain levees.....they're too far inland. What breached them was the sheer volume of water behind them driven by the backside winds.

Whoever posted that at Wikipedia knows not whereof he speaks.
Being in close proximity to the gulf, where hurricanes can hit as far west as Galveston.....
And further.....the last hurricane to make a Texas landfall was Bret in 1999, and it made landfall in Kenedy County way south of Corpus Christi.

http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/gulfcoastpic3.jpeg

[SWATJester_os]

not to mention the hurricane of 1898 which hit louisiana killing several thousand

[kreket]

It isn't the federal government's job to sit on state and other local governments to make sure they prepare for things. A simulation was run months before and it predicted this situation, the governor and the mayor should have prepared accordingly.

Coordinated responses by several states are under the authority of the states themselves? There was this apparatus that I've forgot the name of, initiated with the purpose of tackling emergencies. I'm thinking of that organisation which was lead by someone incompitent and how this was negative. (It's been in the news.) I'm trying to learn something here because I think it will be vital knowledge for later discussions on the Bush administration.