Military: Hijacking A U.S. Aircraft Carrier

[Skyler]

For some reason I just remembered that thread from the FA forums and would be interested to hear what you guys would do. Also, if such a situation occured, what would a carrier have to protect itself? Are the cooks, janitors, aircraft maintience/mechanics, radar techincians, etc even issued weapons?

[Shadow]

For some reason I just remembered that thread from the FA forums and would be interested to hear what you guys would do. Also, if such a situation occured, what would a carrier have to protect itself? Are the cooks, janitors, aircraft maintience/mechanics, radar techincians, etc even issued weapons?

Are you fucking insane? And I thought that Under Siege was a bit farfetched.

There are marines on board a carrier, mate. Just because it's a naval aviation platform, remember the Marines are the Navy's "private army". Wherever the Navy Goes, you'll be sure to see a few marines too.

[Mr.P]

Hijacking a US carrier, at sea, would probably one of the most impossible things you could ever imagine to do.......

Any boat large enough to carry enough men to capture, and then run an aircraft carrier would be seen and blown out of the water LONG before it could even reach the picket ships.

It would probably easier to shoot your way into Fort Knox then take over a carrier.

[Shadow]

I Concur, Mr.P.

[meifunk]

Let's not forget that a CVN is normally home to ~3,500 people. Now, although they may not want to be there, that doesn't mean they're going to be real happy about leaving if you try to dislodge them in the middle of the ocean.

If you really wanted to do it, you'd need Air Superiority, and you'd have to isolate them from the Battlegroup they'd be sure to be traveling with. Then you'd have to make sure that the Subs in the Battlegroup were taken care of, and you'd have to knock out communications...

Shit, you'd be better to just sink the damn thing. Why would you want to hijack one? Do you have any idea what kind of undertaking it is to keep one of those things running?

[Ch33zy]

No kidding, putting a mass mutiny aside, every one of those 3500 pople on that ship pretty much need to be there for it to function (Give or take barbers and so on). I imagine all equipment that you'd hope to capture would be destroyed in the crossfire/by the crew. And don't say a gas attack, the number of things that need to go exactly right/wrong for that to work make it nearly impossible.

That said, it may be possible if say, a carrier runs aground in hostile waters (off a beach), simply because if it can't move planes cant take off. But then, you captured a carrier, but it's only good as a beachside condo. Not to mention the rest of the fleet might try to get it back...

[Shadow]

Mr. Aegis who sits beside running Air Guard, would fucking rape anyone who got near the fuckin thing. Plain and simple.

[Lord Kelvin]

Not to mention, it would be impossible to get the right kind of people, let alone enough people to take it over. Kinda hard to manage a nuclear reactor if you don't know how it works.

[Mr.P]

I suppose if you were feeling plucky you could always go take over the Intrepid museum.....

[Mystrick]

The frigates 30 miles out from the battlegroup would see everything. See you on radar, radio telling you to turn around/change course. If you keep heading towards it they would fire warning shots, then, if you're lucky, you blow up the Frigate (before it gets you). By that time the Frigate would have radioed a distress signal, notifying the main battle group. By this time planes would have been launched and/or the Destroyers would be headed your way. Then, if you're really lucky and take care of them, the planes would have gotten you, and if you're even more lucky and took care of the planes, the Carrier would have notified the rest of the Navy and you'd have the whole branch on you.

*shrugs*

[BAS]

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[SWATJester_os]

Heh I remember that thread.

It's easier to just buy the one they were selling for 4 million on iwoot.com

[CT]

Crews are also trained to destroy EVERYTHING aboard the vessel that is of any interest of another county. And, the US Navy has a way of making sure that carrier is of no interest to you. They WOULD, no questions asked, send a record breaking salvo of tomahawks and bombers to eliminate that vessel, assuming by some miracle that you managed to take it. Carriers are never alone, they are the middle of battlegroups. A carrier battlegroup is usually made up of one carrier, one air wing, and 2 crusiers (minimum). When deployed, current core battle tactics demand in addition to the regular group, a 4 destroyer squadron, 2 fast attacks, and a supply ship. Of course, they can deploy much more than that if they want.

[puke o'hara]

I also wonder what the hijackers would do with the CV. Even if you made it away with one, the USN still has a couple more ... not to mention that the hijacked CV would get other unwelcome attention as well.

[IchWarriorMkII]

o questions asked, send a record breaking salvo of tomahawks and bombers to eliminate that vessel, assuming by some miracle that you managed to take it. t.


Errrr... Maybe some harpoons, but I don't think a tomahawk would be a great defensive weapon...

[SWATJester_os]

Tomahawks work well on anything that needs long range precision SLAM power.

[marty]

In the old days of battlerships and before, ships could be captured by the victor in the battle and put into service for that country.

Do you think it's still possible in the age of carriers?

"After engaging American forces in the sea of Japan, the Russian Navy was defeated by the joint USN-JMSDF Task Force.

Casualties on the Allied side include the complete sinkings of the Japanese destroyers Mutsu, Nagato, and Kongo, the US Cruisers Vincennes and Bunker Hill, the US Destroyer Arleigh Burke, the US Frigate Reuben James, the US Submarines Virginia, Seawolf, and Jimmy Carter, and the Amphibious Carrier Saipan. The USS Carl Vinson and Enterprise were severely damaged. The Enterprise has been scheduled for scuttling, and the Vinson is heading at full steam to the naval base at Sasebo for repairs.

The Russian Navy was dealt a severe blow with the complete annihilation of their Pacific Fleet. The names of the ships have yet to be officially released, but embeds have estimated that between 30-40 Russian vessels have been completely sunk.

Many Russian ships have also been captured, at least five were destroyers of an unknown type, two were large cruisers (presumed to be the Kirov class nuclear-powered cruisers), and the Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.

Most of the surviving aircraft of the Enterprise have flown to land bases in Japan, but the helicopters of that ship and all the surviving aircraft of the Saipan are now operating off of the Kuznetsov. The prize crew of the ship consists of survivors from the Saipan and sailors from the Enterprise.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has... (snip)"


Note: I loved shitting on Swat by sinking the Jimmy carter and shitting on Kak by having the Kuznetsov captured... who else did I shit on by sinking the Arleigh Burke?

[CT]

Errrr... Maybe some harpoons, but I don't think a tomahawk would be a great defensive weapon...

I indicated that the US would destroy any captured vessel rather than permit it to be captured or remain in enemy hands.

We do it to fighters and choppers all the time.

[SWATJester_os]

Hah yeah I flipped when I saw that Marty, good call. The Arleigh Burke is a shit on Cricket Eater, that's his ship.

[Ch33zy]

Whats that from?

[marty]

Whats that from?
CNN. Last year, remember? Sheesh, people DO have short attention spans.

[meifunk]

I indicated that the US would destroy any captured vessel rather than permit it to be captured or remain in enemy hands.

We do it to fighters and choppers all the time.


QFE.

If there was ever a serious threat of a CV being captured, the thing would be rendered damn near unuseable in a real quick fashion. Any Classified+ material would be destroyed as part of the GQ Doctrine in case of hostile takeover/abandon ship, which means basically all of the communications equipment, and a huge part of the propulsion system. Although hypothetically possible, it'd be pointless. You'd have a floating berg of steel.

[Lord Kelvin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all USN vessels also have all sorts of tracking devices on them and crap? So even if you do manage to find the right number and type of people, sink every other ship in the battlegroup, and overpower and stop the Navy personnel from destroying the sensitive material, wouldn't the US still know where it is and be able to rain fighters on it?

[Mr.P]

If you failed to bring some people who know the engineering of the carrier's nuclear reactor, and the crew refused to operate it for you, you'd face a much bigger issue then simply a non-mobile piece of steel.....

[Shadow]

Agreed.

no questions asked, send a record breaking salvo of tomahawks and bombers to eliminate that vessel, assuming by some miracle that you managed to take it.

Weren't the BGM-109B Tomahawk TASMs removed from service?

[CT]

Agreed.



Weren't the BGM-109B Tomahawk TASMs removed from service?

Yes, but land attack versions can be given the basic ability to hit sea targets through a simple profile change in the software of the guidance package. For the most part, they just fling harpoons and penguins nowdays.

[GoatChomper]

In the old days of battlerships and before, ships could be captured by the victor in the battle and put into service for that country.

Do you think it's still possible in the age of carriers?
Only if you have the facilities, personnel, and time to train a crew. Starting with personnel that are already trained in such systems would cut down the time, but don't expect it to be operational in a hurry.

[gYmBaG]

its impossible lol thats that unless you're super man, you cant even make it aboard with out permission let alone stealing it

[Shadow]

Hell, trying to sink one's fuckin hard enough. Our sub, HMAS Rankin whilst on RIMPAC ex with the US was tailing for something like 36 hours before they found a gap in the ASW coverage of the battlegroup, and simulated an attack, killing a CVN. The boys aboard were mentally and physically exhausted from it all.

[Lord Kelvin]

Isn't that the point of exercises though? I'd say they did a pretty damn good job if the sank an aircraft carrier.

[SpecialForces]

If you are talking about a CVN-68-77..... Balls to that.... Nimitz Class Carriers are the heart of the navy, there are 7-18 support ships surrounding at all times. I highly doubt any of those ships would let a rowboat get within a mile of a Nimitz, let alone anything that can carry a squad of riflemen....

Parachuting on it is a fat chance, It's a big target, that shouldn't be hard to land on, but getting there is imposable, the AGF-11 USS Coronado, has the ability to spot a Cessna from over 800 miles away, I'm pretty sure a carrier would be able to spot the numerous wide body aircraft that would carry paratroopers to the ship with plenty of time to launch all 85 fighter aircraft on board (which would take 16 minutes with all 4 catapults and elevators onboard)

Let alone the amount of people it would take to seize control of a 1,100 foot long, 300 feet wide platform with 5,800 well trained personal on board... you have any idea how many people it would take to raid a isolated mobile target like this? You're better of just sinking it.... Better yet… taking over the white house.



But if you just mean infiltrating it.... that would be pretty cool to see..

Like a small team of 24 board a commercial airliner that from their Intel will be flying over the USS Ronald Reagan at 3 am (carriers are fully operational and active 24/7, but why not make it at night). While flying over the aircraft, they hijack the plane, and bail out and sabotage shit left and right and raise hell....or maybe just take control of the island and hold it off for a while until the marines fuck them nice and hard (carriers also tend to hold navy seals as well, usually the smaller carriers like the Wake Island)

That would be interesting...

[SWATJester_os]

Even if all the planes were launched in 16 minutes, which I doubt would happen, you couldn't arm all of them, and to launch that quickly without putting the craft on alert status would shit on their safety.

[Mr.P]

Even if all the planes were launched in 16 minutes, which I doubt would happen, you couldn't arm all of them, and to launch that quickly without putting the craft on alert status would shit on their safety.


Hey, he only said LAUNCH then im 16 minutes, not where to launch them.....I'm sure you could cold-cat the entire compliment into the ocean in 16 minutes if you needed to.......

[CT]

You guys tend to forget, carriers move, and move FAST. There is a minimum speed for flight operations. Even at that minimum, it would be a hard to hit target for even an experinced jumper, let alone the near brigade sized force you would need to take the vessel. Lets not forget you need more than fighters to operate it at a minimum level.

[SWATJester_os]

Hey, he only said LAUNCH then im 16 minutes, not where to launch them.....I'm sure you could cold-cat the entire compliment into the ocean in 16 minutes if you needed to.......

Heh, and straight into the ocean is about where you'd launch them if you tried to do it in 16 minutes

[SpecialForces]

Heh, and straight into the ocean is about where you'd launch them if you tried to do it in 16 minutes

lol it can and has been done, with all 4 catapults and 4 elevators working and all aircraft in working order, you can get 85 jets airborne in 16 minutes.. trying to find a link for it, but I was on the USS George Washington in Norfolk, Virginia for a tour and the officer instructing the tours stated, that all of the fighter aircraft onboard, can be launched in under 16 minutes, he also said some of the newer carriers, like the Ronald Reagan and the H.W. Bush can do it, in under 16 minutes...

[gYmBaG]

but i thought the catapults have to have time to recharge i guess you can say, or rebuild enough steam or whatever they use nowadays, to make it work? wouldnt 16 minutes be pushing it? thinking it would take longer to recharge each catapult if all 4 were being recharged also?

[SpecialForces]

but i thought the catapults have to have time to recharge i guess you can say, or rebuild enough steam or whatever they use nowadays, to make it work? wouldnt 16 minutes be pushing it? thinking it would take longer to recharge each catapult if all 4 were being recharged also?

just looked it up via Wikipedia

They divert steam from the nuclear enginnes, it only takes 4 seconds for the steam pressure to build up, can't find much more on it, they only talk about it for like 4 sentences.... ill find more, expect a edit

[gYmBaG]

oh damn lol nevermind then i didnt know it was that fast, all i knew was that it just took sometime to recharge them, didnt know how long exactly

[SWATJester_os]

Problem is it takes at least 5 minutes to warm up a jet's engines and do all your safety checks.

[SpecialForces]

Problem is it takes at least 5 minutes to warm up a jet's engines and do all your safety checks.
5 minutes? First of all, you don't have to be on the catapult to do all that stuff, just the flight line. I saw 6 F-18 take off that same day as the tour, they went in by 2's. Only 2 catapults were open, but anyways...

they lined up, did all their checks while in line, once it was their turn, they did this quick check, fired them up, *I think they maxed it out, i saw the flames, from the exhaust, then they turned it down again.... chilled for a short amount of time then took off, and the next 2 rolled up and repeated...


There was more like a 16-20 second interval between the pairs of 2 jets taking off, you cannot say it takes was 5 minutes, because I saw it myself....


5 minutes..... Where do you get this information anyways?

[Skyler]

Well I'm going to go with the combat vet on this one as opposed to the guy in a tour group...

[Mr.P]

There are LOTS of things that Navy officials have claimed over the years that are only possible in very exacting circumstances. IF you were to have every plane possible on deck and flight checked already, and had planes ready to go below deck on the elevators before hand, then maybe it is possible. Carriers, even in wartime situations, don't operate in this fashion because its not safe to have all your planes in one basket. Most carriers try not to operate the 3-4 cats if possible to enable landings during operation, as carriers ALWAYS have CAP planes in the air that could run into emergencies and require landing.

There have always been little test runs that have had amazing results, like how fast can we load and refire all the guns on an Iowa class? Well, theoreticaly, or safely? Or , lets build a Liberty ship in 3 days, etc.

[SpecialForces]

Well I'm going to go with the combat vet on this one as opposed to the guy in a tour group...


How exactly does being in the army national guard, make you a expert on everything? I'm a aviation student, under 400 hours away from receiving his A&P Licensee, Aviation is sort of my life so to speak, I don't know to much about other ships, but I know a lot about carriers, my instructors, are pretty much all ex-military, head instructor Mr. Sylvester, was in the US Army for 25 years, my other teacher Mr. Peacor(the shop director), was in the navy for 17 years, he served on the Dwight Eisenhower for 6 years before moving to a more local job to spend more time with his family. He talks about these massive ships endlessly and always tells us all this stuff, one day I was in Virginia from driving back from North Carolina, and found out the USS George Washington was in port, and I wanted to check it out, and I did....

Ok, that was sort of a rant, but what I am saying is, just cause the guy is in the army Skyler, doesn’t mean he knows everything there is to know about everything, that is ridiculous. Just because the man is in infantry in the National Guard doesn’t mean he know anything about the navy... I was in Civil Air Patrol for almost 2 years; I have 31 hours of logged flight time from CAP. I know my aviation damn well. But I don't know jack shit about ground armor or anything like that..... do you get what I’m saying?

(oh and just noticed you live in Kingston, I'm from Poughkeepsie, mid hudson baby)

[Scraps]

Aren't some of the jets on the carrier cargo aircraft and other non-fighters? IE: S-3, C-2, A-6(if still in service), EA-6, etc.
Edit: Also couldn't the SM-2's take down an aircraft long before they get in range to jump?

[Mr.P]

Also couldn't the SM-2's take down an aircraft long before they get in range to jump?

More then likely, yes, but the whole idea is so extravagant, that lets just assume the missiles are busted......

[Mystrick]

A-6 isn't in service anymore, just the EA-6 (which is being phased out)

Pretty soon the carrier deck will just be some E-2s, SeaHawks, and F-18s.

[Airborne506]

A-6 isn't in service anymore, just the EA-6 (which is being phased out)

Pretty soon the carrier deck will just be some E-2s, SeaHawks, and F-18s.

Have the seahawks completely taken over ASW duty?

[SWATJester_os]

So? You are working on your A+P license: that's a mechanics license. I've got my pilot's license, I think I know what I'm talking about. How many pilot in command hours do you have? Just cause I'm in the infantry doesn't mean I don't have a life other places....dear god newbie, how hard is it to ASK what people's expertises are in before making an ass out of yourself on the forums?

How exactly does being in the army national guard, make you a expert on everything? I'm a aviation student, under 400 hours away from receiving his A&P Licensee, Aviation is sort of my life so to speak, I don't know to much about other ships, but I know a lot about carriers, my instructors, are pretty much all ex-military, head instructor Mr. Sylvester, was in the US Army for 25 years, my other teacher Mr. Peacor(the shop director), was in the navy for 17 years, he served on the Dwight Eisenhower for 6 years before moving to a more local job to spend more time with his family. He talks about these massive ships endlessly and always tells us all this stuff, one day I was in Virginia from driving back from North Carolina, and found out the USS George Washington was in port, and I wanted to check it out, and I did....

Ok, that was sort of a rant, but what I am saying is, just cause the guy is in the army Skyler, doesn’t mean he knows everything there is to know about everything, that is ridiculous. Just because the man is in infantry in the National Guard doesn’t mean he know anything about the navy... I was in Civil Air Patrol for almost 2 years; I have 31 hours of logged flight time from CAP. I know my aviation damn well. But I don't know jack shit about ground armor or anything like that..... do you get what I’m saying?

(oh and just noticed you live in Kingston, I'm from Poughkeepsie, mid hudson baby)

[Mr.P]

A-6 isn't in service anymore, just the EA-6 (which is being phased out)

Pretty soon the carrier deck will just be some E-2s, SeaHawks, and F-18s.

By that time, I think they'd have some Joint Strike Fighters available on carriers.

[Shadow]

Have the seahawks completely taken over ASW duty?


Yep, SH-60B make up a hell of a lot of ASW, but the SH-60J was the supplement to the S-3 Viking before it got shitcanned. The -60J's doing it's job now.

[SWATJester_os]

5 minutes..... Where do you get this information anyways?


Have you ever warmed up a turbine engine? Do you know what a DA 2404 form is? Do you know how a turbine spool up works? Do you know what to do to avoid a hot start?

Where do I get that number from? 30 seconds turbine spool up time before ignition, 30 seconds initial engine burn warm up time, and the remaining 4 minutes or so are spent performing avionics checks, magneto checks, etc. You have engine run ups, fuel line switching checks, and many other tests to ensure that your plane is running safely.

Ever flown a plane? Why don't your Delta flights just get towed out to the runway, turn their engines on and just go? Because they do checks. They spool up the engines at the gate, usually as the last passengers are boarding. Then they ignite the turbines, run up the engines to idle, check proper N1 and N2 values, do a throttle run up to ensure smooth fuel flow, cut to idle to ensure that no flameouts happen, and thats just for the engines...there's a whole SHITLOAD of other tests to run.

[Mystrick]

Yep, SH-60B make up a hell of a lot of ASW, but the SH-60J was the supplement to the S-3 Viking before it got shitcanned. The -60J's doing it's job now.

Nah, P-3 Orions are doing long range ASW, low and slow. (P-3 is a sexy beast)

[Shadow]

We're talking about carrier-borne shit...the P-3's been the long-range land-based ASW platform for decades.

[SpecialForces]

Have you ever warmed up a turbine engine?

Yes

Do you know what a DA 2404 form is?
lol, it’s a maintence record, used to report new faults found post flight… Equipment Inspection and Maintence Worksheet A&P, remember?

Do you know how a turbine spool up works?
Yes, lol, I'm A&P, how the fuck would I not know? Have you ever even be through this stuff before? I know a Pratt and Whitney T400-CP400 and a Allison 250C18 (but that's a turboshaft.... you should know the difference, generaly the same thing) like the back of my hand, and i'm very familer with the General Electric F110-GE100 of the F-16C Do you want me to describe it all?

Do you know what to do to avoid a hot start?
Once again, yes, is there a point to all this, I'm a A student in that class

Ever flown a plane?
Like I said before, I was working toward it, but I had to stop doing CAP and kinda lost contact to the instructor that gave me pretty cheap ass lessons, 31 hours of logged flight time

(hey ask me some FAA Regs, that’s what we discussing in class right now)

Why don't your Delta flights just get towed out to the runway, turn their engines on and just go? Because they do checks. They spool up the engines at the gate, usually as the last passengers are boarding. Then they ignite the turbines, run up the engines to idle, check proper N1 and N2 vlaues, do a throttle run up to ensure smooth fuel flow, cut to idle to ensure that no flameouts happen, and that just for the engines...there's a whole SHITLOAD of other tests to run.

lol, you think you are telling me anything new? Wow, do you seriously think they only test/prep aircraft while they are on the catapult/tarmac…. Heh, I thought you already knew this… they do most of those checks before they even taxi to the runway/catapult….

They don't do all of those checks on the tarmac, they do them while they are on the flight line, then they send them to line up, as they do in the navy, and ANG, they don't do every check in the book on the catapult, just a few last second ones, it only takes 20 seconds to take off 1 F18.

The 158th Fighter Wing ANG, (my aviation instructors have strong bonds with the military so we get to work with them pretty much every Friday, that and the 86th Med.)

Well anyways, They have 6 F-16C's pretty much they take them off the same way I saw it in on the George Washington, they prep and inspect them on the flight line, NOT ON THE TURMAC/CATAPULT… once prepped, they get in line and take off 1 by 1, They go through brief checks on the tarmac, but not the whole thing, they already did the entire check on the flight line, cause the last shift test the living shit out of every component that right, and everything you just recited (threes more to it then that, I have my manual down stairs right now and can guarantee that) does not take 5 minutes to do a last second tarmac test more like 15 seconds.. It takes me about 6/8 minutes to do a full test on a UH-60B/MH-500(OH-6A Loach), and I’m a rookie I can guarantee you that Mr. Sylvester can do the entire check with a pilot by himself in 3 minutes, he did it right in front of me and 13 other students in my class. You can’t try to educate me on flight checks... because I’ve administered them before….

Pretty much the same for the F-18's they put them on the elevators and once they get to the flight deck, they prep them up and they get inline to take off... they don't do all the checks while they are on the catapults, only when they don't have a massive amount of aircraft waiting to take off which already have been prepped...

I don't mean to be rude but clam the fuck down man, I'm seriously not trying to be mean but you seem to be very offended all the sudden, I never said you don't know shit about aviation, I just said, just cause A guy is in the army doesn’t mean he knows everything about everything, re-read the post I made before this... I never aimed at you, I was referring to (I forgot his name, guy from Kingston's) comment.

[gYmBaG]

doesnt seem very save to test the engines on the flight line, and not on the tarmac, because of all the people around/ other aircraft that could get damaged from any of it , highly doubtful though. tarmac just seems safer to test these things, thats like having a bonfire in your living room, not really one of the safest things you can do, yeah you could do it, but you dont want to burn anything, let alone anyone

[GoatChomper]

doesnt seem very save to test the engines on the flight line, and not on the tarmac, because of all the people around/ other aircraft that could get damaged from any of it.....
So where else would you do it, in the hangar?

[SWATJester_os]

I am rather offended that you'd call my credibility into question. You attack me saying I know nothing about aviation being in a national guard infantry unit, without bother to ask if I happen to be a civilian pilot as well.

[gYmBaG]

So where else would you do it, in the hangar?
no im just saying it seems safer to do it on the tarmac, where people arnt alowed really, rather then doing it where crew and stuff have to work as well

[SWATJester_os]

The risks in these safety checks are not to the passengers or crew, but rather to the long term life of the airplane. They're not checking to see if the engines will blow up, they're checking to see if they're operating smoothly.

[[hk]renegade]

Doesnt seem right to only take a few seconds to check everything on a jet that costs millions of dollars before launching it into the sky were it could just o say blow up... 5 minutes would be like a minimum I would think.

[SWATJester_os]

That's exactly why we have Alert 5, Alert 10 and Alert 30 status.....so most of those routine maintenance and safety checks will have already been completed before launch.

[Airborne506]

Quick question, how long does it take to get the Phalanx's ready to fire? I would imagine not very long, I ask because of that incident last month when some T's tried to hit that one Amphib. Assault Ship with rockets.

[Mr.P]

Quick question, how long does it take to get the Phalanx's ready to fire? I would imagine not very long, I ask because of that incident last month when some T's tried to hit that one Amphib. Assault Ship with rockets.

Its very very quick, but its less the system's ability to respond, and more the operator's ensuring its a threatening target, then engaging that takes time. The incident with the rockets was kind a non-point though. They fired some unguided Katayusha rockets which, even if they hit, probably would have done little damage to the actual boat. They're very small comparatively, and I doubt the radar system would even pick them up quick enough to be recognized over their short flight path.

[Ch33zy]

Quick question, how long does it take to get the Phalanx's ready to fire? I would imagine not very long, I ask because of that incident last month when some T's tried to hit that one Amphib. Assault Ship with rockets.
That and the missiles would likely be detected at least a little ways out, giving them ample time to get thier bearings.

[Kamikazi_Watermelon]

It would be impossable to take one over, there always in a battlegroup, they always have a fighter squad in the air keeping it safe and there is always a hawkeye in the air also keeping a eye of 1000 miles radia from the carrier. They would see you and sink you before you even get close enoth to do anything.

[Deckaux]

Sounds like a challenge to me. ;)

[Shadow]

Sounds like absolute fucking folley to me.

[Mystrick]

I highly doubt 1,000 miles out, and they would not shoot you if you got close (close as in 5-10 miles) they would tell you to identify yourself on the radio, and tell you, you are approaching a US Navy battlegroup and to divert your current path.

[Ch33zy]

I highly doubt 1,000 miles out, and they would not shoot you if you got close (close as in 5-10 miles) they would tell you to identify yourself on the radio, and tell you, you are approaching a US Navy battlegroup and to divert your current path.

I think he's assuming that it's an obvious attack, say a flight of bombers or a small fleet.

[Whoami88]

Wouldn't it be more practical to "hijack" a carrier if it was currently docked in a port?

[whuh?]

Wouldn't it be more practical to "hijack" a carrier if it was currently docked in a port?

but how many people would you need for the hijack?

[Whoami88]

A couple thousand...:D

[Mystrick]

Too many.

[Kamikazi_Watermelon]

I highly doubt 1,000 miles out, and they would not shoot you if you got close (close as in 5-10 miles) they would tell you to identify yourself on the radio, and tell you, you are approaching a US Navy battlegroup and to divert your current path.
I do not mean they will just open up on someone they will do what you say and everything my point is they will know your coming and take action if need be before you even get close to it.

and hawkeye i can't remember the radars range but it is pretty big. I said 1000 just to basicly stress more how they would know your coming before your close.