NoKo to give up nuclear arms

[GrosPoisson]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4259128.stm

Sounds sensible enough to me. Discuss.

[StandingCow]

Good....

[M123]

I hope north korea lives up to their words.

[Enders]

It's a ploy I tell you! A PLOY! YOU"RE ALL BEING PLAYED FOR FOOLS!

[Modest Genius]

well, its a bit of a surprise, but a welcome one

[Lord Kelvin]

Yeah, but what guarantee do we have that if they do give up what they have, that it's all of what they have? I mean, is there a way we can make certain of how much they could have at this point? After all, how hard is it to pass the inspections?

[GrosPoisson]

I was thinking that China's involvement would be an insurance policy of sorts. I imagine they don't like the idea of having another nuclear power with a large army on their border.

[-V-]

Its a good development, but I am very curios if N.Korea will fully carry their end out, or if this is simply the start of another game for them.

[Whoami88]

Their giving up "nuclear weapons" in exchange for funds to feed their poor starving population...


Gee, I heard that one before, were gonna start seeing some more modern equipment in the North Korean Army now GG Bush.

[GrosPoisson]

Suddenly, in a strange, ironic twist, both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush could both be criticized for giving North Korea money and aid. The world imploded shortly after.

[Kak]

This is all great news. Hopefully this all turns out good :)

[Daywalker]

sounds promising, although it seems to good to be true.

[Ch33zy]

Wow, that worked real well.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002506765_koreanuke20.html

[kreket]

What a bunch of morons. Does isolation breed childishness?

Well, on the upside social scientists are going to learn a lot on what a small determined little shit country can pull of before the thing collapses.

It's a good thing they at least kept to something that had almost been suggested and not something more extreme. You never quite know with that country or that dictator of theirs.


The US is building interceptors in Alaska?? I believed the only thing stopping a missile was the weapons of a jet fighter already airborn. Gawd I'm glad I live in Europe. On the other hand, the polar cap would be a short cut compared to crossing the pacific. :(

[marty]

You know, if we had gone against North Korea instead of Iraq for regime change, how many countries other than South Korea would have really objected?

[Modest Genius]

erm, the light-water reactor was mentioned in the original release, its just that the NKs decided to clarify things. their position hasnt changed

[Ch33zy]

saying it would not abandon its weapons program until the United States gives it a light-water nuclear reactor.

Kekeke?

[Kak]

That was already pretty much the initial thing they were talking about. None of this was a formal agreement, just language that is used to get closer to talks to get an agreement. The whole LWR issue is being considered by the USA, but now NK has clarified that it wants steps towards that before they abandon its weapons program.

To me, NK seems very eager for normal relations with the USA, as we are the only ones continueing to be cautious and stubborn about helping them, with SK, Japan, Russia, and China already pledging to normalise relations and help them with energy.

Kim Jong Il is so ronery :(

[M123]

With a little luck North Korea will collapse eventually.

[Redoubts]

You know, if we had gone against North Korea instead of Iraq for regime change, how many countries other than South Korea would have really objected?
I think the public oppinion depends how bad Seoul would get pummeled by artillery.

[StandingCow]

Well, we shouldnt just give in and give them a plant... otherwise other nations are gonna come up and say, hey guess what we are gonna make nukes also unless you give us something.

And Im sure after N. Korea got the plant it would start up its nuke project again.

[Kak]

I think the public oppinion depends how bad Seoul would get pummeled by artillery.
Seoul would be completely destroyed in the case of military action.

[GrosPoisson]

Seoul would be completely destroyed in the case of military action.

Agreed. A quote from a book I'm reading:

Another defector, Lt. Yu Tae-yun, stated [around 1987] that nearly all members of the [North Korean] light infantry battalions had [previously] infiltrated up to 40 kilometers south of the DMZ [demilitarized zone] in preparation for missions against ROK [Republic of Korea]/U.S. installations and lines of communications within the forward area.

-Inside North Korea
ROK Institute of Internal and External Affairs

[marty]

Should I be a little worried that I can't imagine ever rolling over North Korea without the use of tactical nuclear weapons?

[GoatChomper]

The US is building interceptors in Alaska?? I believed the only thing stopping a missile was the weapons of a jet fighter already airborn.
No.....aircraft-borne interceptor systems generally lack the speed and range necessary for that to be a viable option.

[Krispy Joe]

In related news:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/21/D8COQVS81.html


Wow. GG NK. That's like saying: Okay, I got rid of all my guns, now don't come on my land or I'll shoot you! :|

[GoatChomper]

Such over-the-top rhetoric from Pyonggyang is the norm. Two years ago DoD sent four (not four hundred or four dozen, just four) Strykers to Korea for a portion of their mobility testing. The things didn't even have their machineguns mounted, and Pyonggyang was calling this a prelude to a "dangerous escalation".

[-V-]

What I don't understand is why not build the said light-water reactor in S.K. and run the power lines to N.K. If they are cooperative they get power, if they go building nukes, flip the switch?

[Ch33zy]

We could do it, but you know that NK will never go for it.

[Whoami88]

I'm sorry, but fuck North Korea, Let them fucken starve and die up there.

Thats just what I think, we should just stop dealing with them or go for a united Korea. There not ever gonna change and their extremely dangerous to deal with. So we should ignore them or invade them.

[Army GI]

I wonder how the new stryker battalions are equipped to handle an Armor heavy enemy.

[GoatChomper]

With hundreds of Javelins and AT4s, nine of the ones armed with a 105mm gun, a platoon of them armed with TOWs, an engineering battalion with minelaying vehicles and obstacle-creating tools, and an artillery battery of 155mm guns capable of using DPICM and SADARM loads.

And that's just the organic components.....add in augmentation from a parent division's attack helicopter brigade, MLRS batteries, and air-defense batteries, and you will get seriously jacked up if you take on a Stryker unit that gets into defilade onto good terrain with covered egress routes they can use to set up further back once they shoot and run.

For grins and giggles, I load up TacOps (http://www.battlefront.com/products/tacops4/tacops4.html) and let a Stryker unit and a WarPac-style OPFOR with modernized equipment hack away at each other.....the Strykers give a pretty good account of themselves, even if they tend to get slaughtered if the fighting gets too close.

[Kak]

I'm sorry, but fuck North Korea, Let them fucken starve and die up there.

Thats just what I think, we should just stop dealing with them or go for a united Korea. There not ever gonna change and their extremely dangerous to deal with. So we should ignore them or invade them.
Erm... North Korea is one of the few countries we can't just go and "invade". I also don't like how okay you seem to be with letting millions of people starve to death.

And I don't care what we put on the DMZ, NK will roll right through whatever's there. They would only have a few days of success, the South Korean military is very capible of eventually defeating the North Korean military in a one on one fight, but in the first month of the conflict, there will be hundreds of thousands of South Korean casualties.

[SWATJester_os]

That was already pretty much the initial thing they were talking about. None of this was a formal agreement, just language that is used to get closer to talks to get an agreement. The whole LWR issue is being considered by the USA, but now NK has clarified that it wants steps towards that before they abandon its weapons program.

To me, NK seems very eager for normal relations with the USA, as we are the only ones continueing to be cautious and stubborn about helping them, with SK, Japan, Russia, and China already pledging to normalise relations and help them with energy.

Kim Jong Il is so ronery :(

" Pyongyang and Washington also pledged to respect each other's sovereignty and to take steps to normalize relations."

NK hasn't been eager for normal relations with the US in years. Don't kid yourself. There's a reason why the 4 other countries near them have been performing wargaming against the NK's....because they're unstable and violent.

Btw.....I don't like that last sentence.....

I'm sorry, but fuck North Korea, Let them fucken starve and die up there.

Thats just what I think, we should just stop dealing with them or go for a united Korea. There not ever gonna change and their extremely dangerous to deal with. So we should ignore them or invade them.

Extremely dangerous and never going to change....the solution is to ignore them? PS....chill.


Agreed. A quote from a book I'm reading:
Every light infantryman had penetrated the DMZ? Somehow....no.

[Whoami88]

Erm... North Korea is one of the few countries we can't just go and "invade". I also don't like how okay you seem to be with letting millions of people starve to death.

And I don't care what we put on the DMZ, NK will roll right through whatever's there. They would only have a few days of success, the South Korean military is very capible of eventually defeating the North Korean military in a one on one fight, but in the first month of the conflict, there will be hundreds of thousands of South Korean casualties.


Ok, lets send them food, oops all the food is now going to feed the military, Lets give them funds, oops all the funds just went to the military.

Thats whats going on, the more we try to "help" we just help their military. The citizens are fucked either way because its obvious Kim Jung doesn't give a shit about his people. Thats why we should just ignore them. Wait for their government to eventually collapse. The more food and money we send to North Korea the stronger the hold the government has on its people.

If we do send food to North Korea then we need troops to actually make sure that it goes to the people and not military.

I mean comeon, why is Kim Jung the only fat man in North Korea?*


*Sorry, had to say that one :D

PS: Swat: I meant that their extemely dangerous to make deals with because no matter what their gonna make sure they get what they want and thats bad news for everyone. Sorry I wasn't clear

[GrosPoisson]

Every light infantryman had penetrated the DMZ? Somehow....no.

I doubt that as well, but I would think that at least the special ops types have done so.

[SWATJester_os]

Maybe....the parts that the US is actively patrolling are pretty difficult for them to get by...our sensors are damn good. More likely they just pay off SK guards.

[GoatChomper]

Don't forget the tunneling.