More torture related activities in Iraq

[pro kossu]

HRW released a report on new torture cases in Iraq:

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/09/25/usint11776.htm


The actual report has some testimonies, makes a good reading:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2005/us0905/


What you allowed to happen happened. Trends were accepted. Leadership failed to provide clear guidance so we just developed it. They wanted intel. As long as no PUCs came up dead it happened. We heard rumors of PUCs dying so we were careful. We kept it to broken arms and legs and shit.

[kreket]

Broken arms and legs being a careful way to torture someone? You'd think the main arteries and veins could be pierced.

[Stalin]

Blowtorch and pliers.

[Krispy Joe]

Blowtorch and pliers.


Is it wrong that I laughed at the Pulp Fiction refernece?



Brutal phyisical torture for interrogations is the wrong way to do it, imho. If you put a man through enough pain, he'll tell you he started the Chicago fire. Unless this torture in question was just soliders having fun, I doubt this was the case.

[Lord Kelvin]

Broken arms and legs being a careful way to torture someone? You'd think the main arteries and veins could be pierced.
The point of torture isn't to kill, it's to make life so painful that you'd do anything to stop it. Killing them wouldn't do you any good if they didn't talk.

From the looks of this, it looks the soldiers who participated in the torture are just as guilty as the leaders who told them to do it. I mean, it doesn't exactly take a genius to figure out that breaking an interogatee's bones is probably against the Geneva convention.

[BlindSite]

Excuse me if I don't run off crying to the UN or any other goddamn organisation about these accusations. I've heard them before just from other idiots looking for attention, funnily enough the initial scandle landed countless front pages but the admisson of guilt from the parties and their confession stating the higher ups had no knowledge received no front pages anywhere in the world.

[pro kossu]

. I've heard them before just from other idiots looking for attention, funnily enough the initial scandle landed countless front pages but the admisson of guilt from the parties and their confession stating the higher ups had no knowledge received no front pages anywhere in the world.

I think you've mistaken your local news paper for the front pages of the entire world.

[kreket]

but the admisson of guilt from the parties and their confession stating the higher ups had no knowledge received no front pages anywhere in the world.

So what you are saying is that these are all beatings and torture taking place without the systems approval and only as abuse by the prison guards themselves?

[BlindSite]

kreket, that's exactly what I am saying and that's exactly what past evidence has shown us.

Oh and Kossu, no not my local newspaper, Foreign Ambassador of the United States to Australia gave me that information. It's his job to sell foreign policy and the documentation he used to back up his claim was taken from the Bulletin.

[Enders]

"Yeah, the leadership wasn't very clear on what we were supposed to do, so, you know, we attached electric wires to those terrorist's dicks and totally had a party"

[GoatChomper]

That was pretty much the defense Graner tried to use. He claimed that they were not provided with training in the ethical treatment of POWs, completely disregarding that instruction in the Hague Convention is indeed a part of every soldier's basic training and even more so for MPs.....not to mention that in civilian life he was a prison guard.

It didn't work.....he got reduced in rank to E1 and sent to prison for ten years.

[spartan]

This isn't a real discussion advancement, but everytime I watch 24 and Jack Bauer does something crazy and totally breaks the rules... can't help but think twice about what really should or shouldn't be done in the context of torturing/abusing prisoners to gain actionable intelligence. Yeah, I know the show's entirely ficticious, but still...

Not to be confused with torturing/abusing prisoners for the fun of it, of course.

[BlindSite]

I agree, but again I wouldn't doubt in the least if even it were true it wouldn't take long for the losers like the ones in this forum to be crying about how evil it is.