What's gonna happen?

[TASTEE DUBBA C]

So what is going to happen to Sgoss, Jon Jon and Snap?

I heard they're gonna be banned from FA.

[Reveller]

jon did say something about FA dying quickly after this seasons' FAL

[Yiggs]

Legal trouble.

[Reveller]

Legal trouble.

you have naughty-ness in your sig

[Yiggs]

you have naughty-ness in your sig
But it's good naughty-ness. :)

[Reveller]

But it's good naughty-ness. :)

so true

[Kamikazi_Watermelon]

So what is going to happen to Sgoss, Jon Jon and Snap?

I heard they're gonna be banned from FA.
sgross = asshole and personly would not give a fuck if he was banned.
jonjon = can be anoying but not as much as sgross so do not care.
snap = i know off him, but not enouth to say ban him.

but i don't see why they would be... everyone love's sgross and is soo far up his ass that they make str8 guys cry.

[whuh?]

I think they are all nuked with anything associated with FA.

[Scraps]

sgross = asshole and personly would not give a fuck if he was banned.
jonjon = can be anoying but not as much as sgross so do not care.
snap = i know off him, but not enouth to say ban him.

but i don't see why they would be... everyone love's sgross and is soo far up his ass that they make str8 guys cry.
there are no r's in sgoss

[StandingCow]

Well it has already been made very clear, sgoss is not welcome here.

Im sure after what happened snap and JonJOn wouldnt be either..

Its a messy issue... DOS attacks flying etc... really a childish game.

[Lusty_Muffins]

Sad to see Snap slip into the dark side. JOnjon too, to a lesser extent. Hell, I didn't even have a beef with goss.

[whuh?]

Sad to see Snap slip into the dark side. JOnjon too, to a lesser extent. Hell, I didn't even have a beef with goss.

Same. Sgoss provided me entertainment. Why did he have to go too far?

[[Political] Slayer]

So what is going to happen to Sgoss, Jon Jon and Snap?

I heard they're gonna be banned from FA.

Banning them from a dead mod isn't going to do anything. They are probably going to be in trouble, ask Swat what laws they broke, it was quite a bit.

[whuh?]

Oh yeah, Jon Jon was booted from Jungle Mist (now Incursion).

[kingcobra]

http://forums.worldatwarmod.com/showthread.php?t=212

[Yiggs]

They never cease to entertain me.

[whuh?]

Other clan members will take their places for clan battling.

[TASTEE DUBBA C]

Slayer']Banning them from a dead mod isn't going to do anything. They are probably going to be in trouble, ask Swat what laws they broke, it was quite a bit.

but banning sgoss from fa would basically take away his only calling in life

[YarPirate]

I did not see it coming from jonjon or snap. As far as I could tell before it happened, they were both pretty upstanding people. I haven't spoken with him since it happened because of the attacks that have been happening (and we all know two wrongs make a right.) :cool:

[SWATJester_os]

all three of them are not welcome in WaW.

As for what our response will be, that's up in the air, but either way it doesn't really concern the general public (as of yet, I'm sure you'll be told more in the future). Much of the damage was mitigated by quick action, and great communication (much of the team has each other's mobile numbers), we could have been a lot worse off.

[lucky644]

all three of them are not welcome in WaW.

As for what our response will be, that's up in the air, but either way it doesn't really concern the general public (as of yet, I'm sure you'll be told more in the future). Much of the damage was mitigated by quick action, and great communication (much of the team has each other's mobile numbers), we could have been a lot worse off.

Things got quite a bit more serious the moment they attacked my server which is on the same rack with some very large and powerful companies.

[gYmBaG]

there are no r's in sgoss
lol i think he had alittle too much to drink. most of his words were spelt wrong, and had a few too many or few to little letters in them.

[[Political] Slayer]

all three of them are not welcome in WaW.

As for what our response will be, that's up in the air, but either way it doesn't really concern the general public (as of yet, I'm sure you'll be told more in the future). Much of the damage was mitigated by quick action, and great communication (much of the team has each other's mobile numbers), we could have been a lot worse off.

Hey swat, how exactly did you guys all find out so quickly if most of you were asleep when it happened?

[bLaCk TeAr]

Other clan members will take their places for clan battling.

i can safely say that ra will die, or be pretty close to it.

Slayer]Hey swat, how exactly did you guys all find out so quickly if most of you were asleep when it happened?

we were all awake lol, we all found out around like 1am or so, then everyone stuck around to see what would happen.

[Scraps]

lol i think he had alittle too much to drink. most of his words were spelt wrong, and had a few too many or few to little letters in them.
ohshit you're alive

[M4A1]

i can safely say that ra will die, or be pretty close to it.


Sorry Bt, that won't happen. Because I am still here, and trust me, we are ready to play still. :P

[Scraps]

Sorry Bt, that won't happen. Because I am still here, and trust me, we are ready to play still. :P
You could quit RA.

[M4A1]

You could quit RA.

Or I'll keep it alive? Considering there are many good guys in RA that still want to finish off FAL.

[Wallrod]

lol i think he had alittle too much to drink. most of his words were spelt wrong, and had a few too many or few to little letters in them.
No, he always types like that.

[Scraps]

Or I'll keep it alive? Considering there are many good guys in RA that still want to finish off FAL.
Oh yea i forgot.:o

[Yiggs]

I thought RA was a mistype of FA. Guess I was totally wrong :p

[M4A1]

Oh yea i forgot.:o


nuzb0r scraps :P <3

[ScAvenger001]

Slayer']Hey swat, how exactly did you guys all find out so quickly if most of you were asleep when it happened?
I was around, but it's long been a standing joke that I either never sleep or I'm actually a particularly clever AIM bot (besides which, I'm on PST so I'm pretty much on the tail-end of the time zones). Also, they had tried out their newfound powers a few hours before they actually took serious action, which left some irregularities: lucky noticed in the late afternoon (my time) that somehow sgoss had gotten unbanned and then was rebanned by Snap (who was listed as only a tester and didn't have access for that). That meant that a couple of us who would otherwise be doing other things were sitting in the admin channel trying to figure out what was going on.

[SWATJester_os]

Slayer']Hey swat, how exactly did you guys all find out so quickly if most of you were asleep when it happened?

I wasn't asleep, I had a flight back from seattle that got in at 12:30am. By the time I got back to my house it was 2:00 AM and I had shit to do for work that kept me up all night. In the end I never got any of the work done (to be fair, I was trying to get fired), because of the situation. Some of the euro's were up, as well as some of the US night owls.

[Somedude]

I was up as well, on PST so it wasn't terribly late yet. I think I stayed up until about 1:00am or so just to catch everything I could. I stayed up long enough to see the domain get switched. As a sidenote... The entertainment value and the gravity of the situation was so high that I didn't do anything else the whole night. Just sorta sat and watched the whole thing unfold... From the log irregularities all the way to the changing of the DNS and VB licence. I'm still sorta in disbelief about the whole thing.

[Fuzz`]

I was up as well, on PST so it wasn't terribly late yet. I think I stayed up until about 1:00am or so just to catch everything I could. I stayed up long enough to see the domain get switched. As a sidenote... The entertainment value and the gravity of the situation was so high that I didn't do anything else the whole night. Just sorta sat and watched the whole thing unfold... From the log irregularities all the way to the changing of the DNS and VB licence. I'm still sorta in disbelief about the whole thing.
The best part was when the admin staff (lucky et.all), during the time they were not controlling the faforums, started condoning the posting on the firearms forums of pornography (bestiality, gay/lesbian, group, regular), racism, and the gratuitous use of offensive language. That was appealing and entertaining i'm sure.

[ScAvenger001]

Heh, I went to bed around 1:15 and got up again around 6:30. As it happened, there wasn't a lot I could do either, but wow.

[ScAvenger001]

The best part was when the admin staff (lucky et.all), during the time they were not controlling the faforums, started condoning the posting on the firearms forums of pornography (bestiality, gay/lesbian, group, regular), racism, and the gratuitous use of offensive language. That was appealing and entertaining i'm sure.
At that point they weren't our forums and our influence over official forum policy was, by design, nil. For my part, I was entertained by the new "administrators" continually deleting my posts attempting to explain what was going on.

[Fuzz`]

At that point they weren't our forums and our influence over official forum policy was, by design, nil.
Which would make it perfectly alright to condone and encourage the breaking of rules explicitly stated in the forum guidelines. Because if you personally do not have control over the forums, those guidelines do not apply anymore. It makes perfect sense.

[ScAvenger001]

Our condoning or not condoning things was, as I just said, totally moot at that point. The new guys didn't seem to be keeping it under control, for sure.

[Somedude]

The best part was when the admin staff (lucky et.all), during the time they were not controlling the faforums, started condoning the posting on the firearms forums of pornography (bestiality, gay/lesbian, group, regular), racism, and the gratuitous use of offensive language. That was appealing and entertaining i'm sure.

I dare you to find a single place where I condoned it. It may have been tacitly condoned by our lack of action on the issue, but as scav mentions... We weren't in control of the boards at that point. The only questionable behavior I took part in was banning the usurpers.

[Fuzz`]

Our condoning or not condoning things was, as I just said, totally moot at that point. The new guys didn't seem to be keeping it under control, for sure.
Your actions as a group reflect very poorly upon yourselves. You're an intelligent individual scavenger, I'm certain that you can recognise this fact. An admin staff composed of individuals who have a history of promoting the spread of offensive content would seem to be an unacceptable choice for a message board which explicitly prohibits these actions.

[Somedude]

Your actions as a group reflect very poorly upon yourselves. You're an intelligent individual scavenger, I'm certain that you can recognise this fact. An admin staff composed of individuals who have a history of promoting the spread of offensive content would seem to be an unacceptable choice for a message board which explicitly prohibits these actions.

Really, it shouldn't matter what we do on our free time, as long as we uphold the rules on the boards we control.

[ScAvenger001]

Your actions as a group reflect very poorly upon yourselves. You're an intelligent individual scavenger, I'm certain that you can recognise this fact. An admin staff composed of individuals who have a history of promoting the spread of offensive content would seem to be an unacceptable choice for a message board which explicitly prohibits these actions.
I do believe that my response was along the lines of "we will not punish people for their actions while the FA forums are not under our control." This is not a new policy by any stretch: we do not punish people for racism on irc, or spamming on govteen, or what have you because we do not control those. Refusing to uphold our standards on boards we no longer controlled is hardly a great leap from that. "History of promoting" indeed.

Also, for the third time, there was no "admin staff composed of individuals ...promoting the spread of offensive content." Most of us were nothing more than private citizens at that point with about the same authority to enforce our will on the FA forums as you have to enforce yours here.

I have a confession to make, though. In my capacity as a private netizen, I used a secondary account to evade a ban. I'm very sorry.

[bLaCk TeAr]

Your actions as a group reflect very poorly upon yourselves. You're an intelligent individual scavenger, I'm certain that you can recognise this fact. An admin staff composed of individuals who have a history of promoting the spread of offensive content would seem to be an unacceptable choice for a message board which explicitly prohibits these actions.

why should they help the people who kicked them off their forums uphold the rules? if anything they should make it harder for them :/

[Fuzz`]

Really, it shouldn't matter what we do on our free time, as long as we uphold the rules on the boards we control.
Of course

[Fuzz`]

I do believe that my response was along the lines of "we will not punish people for their actions while the FA forums are not under our control." This is not a new policy by any stretch: we do not punish people for racism on irc, or spamming on govteen, or what have you because we do not control those. Refusing to uphold our standards on boards we no longer controlled is hardly a great leap from that. "History of promoting" indeed.

Also, for the third time, there was no "admin staff composed of individuals ...promoting the spread of offensive content." Most of us were nothing more than private citizens at that point with about the same authority to enforce our will on the FA forums as you have to enforce yours here.

I have a confession to make, though. In my capacity as a private netizen, I used a secondary account to evade a ban. I'm very sorry.
This seems very simlar to a number of conversations we have had in the past ScAvenger001. I will be happy to search through mirc logs tonight in order to find anything which might the two of us might discuss and find of interest in relation to this topic. You're correct in stating that as private citizens you had no authority to enforce your will upon the Fa forums at that time, however as authority figures (specifically in the context that those who posted offensive matter on the boards during your lack off access saw you as the legitimate controllers of the fa forums) you should have morally opposed the spread of this offensive and prohibited matter. You as a group did not, which reflects very poorly upon your image as current moderators and administrators.

[Yiggs]

I was up as usual and would have gone to bed at the time the forums got hijacked if they hadn't been. I stayed up doing nothing else but watch what was happening before my eyes. Needless to say, I was very tired the next morning.

[Matt]

I say, we put them on stakes, about 10 feet or so in the air. Have food close by to tease them. Then after they start foaming in the mouth or 12 months, which ever comes first, shoot one of thier knee caps. After the blood is nice and dry one one, shoot the other. Then set thier hair on fier! Finally slit thier thorats and leave them to die.

[Agent Law]

I watched the whole thing unfold. But I went to brush my teeth and take a piss. When I came back, the forums were no more. :(

[Yiggs]

I say, we put them on stakes, about 10 feet or so in the air. Have food close by to tease them. Then after they start foaming in the mouth or 12 months, which ever comes first, shoot one of thier knee caps. After the blood is nice and dry one one, shoot the other. Then set thier hair on fier! Finally slit thier thorats and leave them to die.
Rather use the death by a million cuts. Much more satisfying.

[ScAvenger001]

You're correct in stating that as private citizens you had no authority to enforce your will upon the Fa forums at that time, however as authority figures (specifically in the context that those who posted offensive matter on the boards during your lack off access saw you as the legitimate controllers of the fa forums) you should have morally opposed the spread of this offensive and prohibited matter. You as a group did not, which reflects very poorly upon your image as current moderators and administrators. Wait, so we had a moral obligation to support policies that were no longer ours, and by extension support those who had taken them from us? That doesn't make any sense, particularly as you just agreed that "it shouldn't matter what we do on our free time".

[Violin]

mmmm...wha?

[Fuzz`]

Wait, so we had a moral obligation to support policies that were no longer ours, and by extension support those who had taken them from us? That doesn't make any sense, particularly as you just agreed that "it shouldn't matter what we do on our free time".
So what you are stating is that the policies of the fa forums, and those of these boards, are not worth supporting unless you are in control of them? This does not make sense, as you state that all users of these boards (past and present) are bound to follow these rules. The fact that control of the boards was taken from you is immaterial to your arguement, as your logic as stated in your above quoted passage reads that unless one is the administrator of a rule set one is under no moral obligation to follow rules which have been outlined to ensure a fair, comfortable and offensive content free environment for all users of a message board. Again this seems to reflect poorly upon the administrative group.

[ScAvenger001]

So what you are stating is that the policies of the fa forums, and those of these boards, are not worth supporting unless you are in control of them? This does not make sense, as you state that all users of these boards (past and present) are bound to follow these rules. The fact that control of the boards was taken from you is immaterial to your arguement, as your logic as stated in your above quoted passage reads that unless one is the administrator of a rule set one is under no moral obligation to follow rules which have been outlined to ensure a fair, comfortable and offensive content free environment for all users of a message board. Again this seems to reflect poorly upon the administrative group. Worth supporting doesn't matter. Whether it's my problem to support them is the issue and hey, it wasn't. If I see a bunch of people going around town breaking windows and stealing TVs, I'm not going to go up to them and tell them to stop for much the same reason: it's not my job, and I do not have the authority to do so, this is why we have police. As it happens, I'd been fired from the "police" force shortly beforehand. C'est la vie.

[Fuzz`]

Worth supporting doesn't matter. Whether it's my problem to support them is the issue and hey, it wasn't. If I see a bunch of people going around town breaking windows and stealing TVs, I'm not going to go up to them and tell them to stop for much the same reason: it's not my job, and I do not have the authority to do so, this is why we have police. As it happens, I'd been fired from the "police" force shortly beforehand. C'est la vie.
The problem with that analogy is that those citizens who were breaking the windows and stealing tv's still saw you as the "police." And they have a long history of obeying the police. I'm certain you recognise and understand this, and also recognise and understand how it reflects upon your current responsibilities.

[Somedude]

The problem with that analogy is that those citizens who were breaking the windows and stealing tv's still saw you as the "police." And they have a long history of obeying the police. I'm certain you recognise and understand this, and also recognise and understand how it reflects upon your current responsibilities.

Authority vs. influence. We were discussing this earlier in private. While one may still have the influence, without the authority there is no obligation to try to keep the peace. Sorta the boat we were in. You admitted as much yourself.

Also, how much can we really care about a few bad posts here and there when the site we're tending is highjacked and it's rightful owners removed?

[Fuzz`]

Authority vs. influence. We were discussing this earlier in private. While one may still have the influence, without the authority there is no obligation to try to keep the peace. Sorta the boat we were in. You admitted as much yourself.

Also, how much can we really care about a few bad posts here and there when the site we're tending is highjacked and it's rightful owners removed?
There is no obligation other than that which an individual would feel to make a decision which reflects upon their character. Your logic dictates that if one is not an authority figure there is no reason to follow the rules. This is a very precarious position to take as moderators of a internet forum, something which you should probably consider before reiterating this statement.

[ScAvenger001]

There is no obligation other than that which an individual would feel to make a decision which reflects upon their character. Your logic dictates that if one is not an authority figure there is no reason to follow the rules. This is a very precarious position to take as moderators of a internet forum, something which you should probably consider before reiterating this statement.
No, our logic is that if we are not authority figures then there is no reason to enforce the rules.

[Somedude]

There is no obligation other than that which an individual would feel to make a decision which reflects upon their character. Your logic dictates that if one is not an authority figure there is no reason to follow the rules. This is a very precarious position to take as moderators of a internet forum, something which you should probably consider before reiterating this statement.

No, if one is not in a position of authority, there is no obligation to try to keep order. You'll find no instance when any one of us broke the rules ourselves.

[Fuzz`]

No, our logic is that if we are not authority figures then there is no reason to enforce the rules.
There was no reason to enforce the rules, however there was no reason to encourage the breaking of the rules. Subtle but important difference.

[Somedude]

There was no reason to enforce the rules, however there was no reason to encourage the breaking of the rules. Subtle but important difference.

I thought you said there was an obligation to enforce the rules here:

The problem with that analogy is that those citizens who were breaking the windows and stealing tv's still saw you as the "police." And they have a long history of obeying the police. I'm certain you recognise and understand this, and also recognise and understand how it reflects upon your current responsibilities.

So much backpedalling.

[Fuzz`]

I thought you said there was an obligation to enforce the rules here:



So much backpedalling.
Sorry if you are confused, I can use the edit function to clarify the point I am making. You probably don't need me to do that however.

[ScAvenger001]

Yes. So subtle, and yet so important, that we really didn't go out of our way to encourage breaking the rules. We stated our position on what would be done to people who broke the rules (eg, nothing).

But if you want to argue morality, it's not hard to argue that it was in fact our duty to raise as much of a ruckus as possible. There are any number of examples of governments-in-exile doing everything in their power to destabilize their usurpers. Merely standing by and stating a position doesn't seem nearly so hostile now, does it?

[Fuzz`]

Yes. So subtle, and yet so important, that we really didn't go out of our way to encourage breaking the rules.
my offer to provide mirc logs stands.

[lucky644]

Pointless argument, why would we care what happens to what we don't have control over.

[Fuzz`]

Pointless argument, why would we care what happens to what we don't have control over.
You're missing so much here lucky. Try asking scavenger.

[[Rapid-Fire]]

Well it has already been made very clear, sgoss is not welcome here.

Im sure after what happened snap and JonJOn wouldnt be either..

Its a messy issue... DOS attacks flying etc... really a childish game.

amusing, not childish.

[StandingCow]

']amusing, not childish.

hehe, ok it is amusing :D

[puke o'hara]

Yes. So subtle, and yet so important, that we really didn't go out of our way to encourage breaking the rules. We stated our position on what would be done to people who broke the rules (eg, nothing).Look at how the events unfolded from there. There was something important being said between the lines, and there's a difference between just not doing anything and telling people that they can do anything they want to because you don't care.

[bLaCk TeAr]

lol what does it matter if they said something about breaking the rules on a forum they lost control of? i dont see how or why this should be such a big issue. and you have logs? lol what did you do go sit in there quietly taking logs to post later on? hahah i bet you had it all thought out fuzz. too bad youre the only one who cares that a few mods, who said things while they were venting. gj, you get a cookie!

[[Political] Slayer]

Heh, I went to bed around 1:15 and got up again around 6:30. As it happened, there wasn't a lot I could do either, but wow.

Yeah, I was feeling sick on Monday so I went to bed at around 9pm, and because I wake up so early for lobstering and usually only sleep 5 to 6 hours, I woke up at 3am and my first instinct was to check the FA Forums, as sad as that is, and I click on a link from Fire Team Zulu, and there was lemonparty, and then I saw hentai, and then tons of porn. That really fucked with my head considering I had just woken up. I was just like what the hell is going on, and then the forums just died on me.

I do believe that my response was along the lines of "we will not punish people for their actions while the FA forums are not under our control." This is not a new policy by any stretch: we do not punish people for racism on irc, or spamming on govteen, or what have you because we do not control those. Refusing to uphold our standards on boards we no longer controlled is hardly a great leap from that. "History of promoting" indeed.


Yeah, you were answering my question when i asked on IRC if we would be banned for posting stuff that wasn't allowed and you said that exact response. But never did I see you condone it.

[puke o'hara]

You contradict yourself there.

And BT, if you don't have anything to say that'd contribute to the thread, not posting ought to be very tempting an option.

[Fuzz`]

Look at how the events unfolded from there. There was something important being said between the lines, and there's a difference between just not doing anything and telling people that they can do anything they want to because you don't care.
This is certainly something which should be noted.

[Evil Superstar]

so if I would say that people can do whatever they want on let's say the CS forum, then I'm an immoral person?

[Fuzz`]

so if I would say that people can do whatever they want on let's say the CS forum, then I'm an immoral person?
You should definately question your morals if by doing so you are implicitly promoting the spread of disturbing racist, vulgar or sexual content.

[Evil Superstar]

I don't see the immediate link between "doing whatever you want" and posting porn, for all I know it might as well mean "post an on topic message". It's still the decision of the person that is making the post. I cannot control what they do, and I certainly can't stop them, so why should I feel guilty about something what other people do?

[FaKToR]

Trolling as always Fuzz. Like you or anyone else actually cares whether or not the mods encouraged people to post porn, etc. I see no problem whatsoever with their response to being locked out of their own forums.

[Fuzz`]

Trolling as always Fuzz. Like you or anyone else actually cares whether or not the mods encouraged people to post porn, etc. I see no problem whatsoever with their response to being locked out of their own forums.
You are in a very poor position to judge what I, or anyone other than yourself "cares" about. The mod team themselves should find their response to events disturbing, as should anyone else who holds a position of responsiblity who has undermined their ability to act as a morally superior delegate entrusted to provide for the safety and comfort of a community.

[FaKToR]

You are in a very poor position to judge what I, or anyone other than yourself "cares" about. The mod team themselves should find their response to events disturbing, as should anyone else who holds a position of responsiblity who has undermined their ability to act as a morally superior delegate entrusted to provide for the safety and comfort of a community.
I think the forums will survive this truly devastating event. Does it make you chuckle when you type this crap?

[Evil Superstar]

We're not morally superiour (at least I'm not) were just human too, so I don't see your point at all, and apparently most people here don't care either.

[ticonderoga]

i think we've all learned that its ok to bash the gays, (http://www.firearmsmod.com/youare.jpg), but lay off the neegars and the jews.

[ScAvenger001]

You are in a very poor position to judge what I, or anyone other than yourself "cares" about. The mod team themselves should find their response to events disturbing, as should anyone else who holds a position of responsiblity who has undermined their ability to act as a morally superior delegate entrusted to provide for the safety and comfort of a community.
Safety and comfort? That's hilarious! :D

Well, anyway, I'll try to remember your criticism for the future. If someone ever breaks into my house and steals my stuff, I'll be sure to keep in mind that it would be evil of me to call him bad names or let him see dirty pictures and I certainly should not allow other people to do so. Btw, I assume you're spending similar amounts of time telling goos and company that what they did was, let's see, "immoral" and "undermined ... the safety and comfort of the community", yes?

[Fuzz`]

Safety and comfort? That's hilarious! :D

Well, anyway, I'll try to remember your criticism for the future. If someone ever breaks into my house and steals my stuff, I'll be sure to keep in mind that it would be evil of me to call him bad names or let him see dirty pictures and I certainly should not allow other people to do so. Btw, I assume you're spending similar amounts of time telling goos and company that what they did was, let's see, "immoral" and "undermined ... the safety and comfort of the community", yes?
I'm going to assume that you purposefully ignored the topic and theme of most of the posts in this thread in an effort to mitigate the damage the actions of the mod team caused to their image during recent events. You know very well that your reaction to events which occured was specifically tailored to promote the despicable display of immaturity you elicited from a large number of forum goers. You can hide behind analogies which inaccurately portray your actions, but you yourself should know better than to believe that you are faultless or that you were acting in good faith.

[ScAvenger001]

Yes, because "good faith" was certainly the order of the day, hmm?

Speaking of hiding, you can also do your best to hide behind your own attempts to spin this and put us in the worst possible light, but there's no way you can possibly put us in a worse light than your friends who decided to help themselves to what wasn't theirs. And speaking of purposeful ignorance, I notice that you've gone out of your way to not respond to any parts of my posts up to this point that put you in a less-than-ideal light. Let's not get into a blackness contest, Mr. Pot.

[Fuzz`]

Yes, because "good faith" was certainly the order of the day, hmm?

Speaking of hiding, you can also do your best to hide behind your own attempts to spin this and put us in the worst possible light, but there's no way you can possibly put us in a worse light than your friends who decided to help themselves to what wasn't theirs. And speaking of purposeful ignorance, I notice that you've gone out of your way to not respond to any parts of my posts up to this point that put you in a less-than-ideal light. Let's not get into a blackness contest, Mr. Pot.
You misrepresent me Scavenger001. I am not trying to compare you in any way to others, I am merely drawing attention to the impropriety of your actions. I'm curious to learn where I have acted in a less than forthright and upstanding manner in this thread and I resent your insinuation that I cook using dirty utensils.

[ScAvenger001]

Oh, well, if all you're doing is drawing attention to an alleged impropriety, congrats, you've succeeded. Good day.