"Kid Cannabis"

[Lee]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7683923/?pageid=rs.News&pageregion=single1&rnd=1128891328812&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040

An interesting read at the very least .. long too.. but still. Wow.

[Shinobi]

what is so it interesting? I know countless people who do this


EDIT: also the addage about not doing your own supply does not apply to marijuana, you cant smoke enough to do any dents to your business when your moving volumes like that


coke on the other hand....

[Toastar]

"a place where if it took you more than ten minutes to find someone to sell you a dime bag, there was a good chance you were already high."

that's fucking gold

[Bone_Vulture]

The Idea turned out to be a textbook case of business economics: Buy low, sell high and eliminate the middleman.

WOW hard hitting journalism right here!

[Fenrir]

This is stupid. I thought it was funny that guys hitman turned on him and im laughing my ass off that they are in jail.

[Bone_Vulture]

[CENSORED]
Ten day ban for racist content.

[GoatChomper]

They'll never get you if you're doing it properly.
Ahh, the thinking that brought many a client into our office....."I'm too smart to get caught!"

Maybe you won't get caught, and maybe you will....."doing it properly" is just the other side of the "I'm too smart!" coin that ignores the fact that there are people just as smart and sometimes moreso looking for them, and they often have the resources of an entire national organization backing them......said people usually not hampered by being whacked out.
EDIT: also the addage about not doing your own supply.....
The same applies to a high-enough volume of any product.....George Jung couldn't possibly have snorted enough of the product he was moving to make himself poor, he would have overdosed long before that could happen.

The advice really should be "Don't make decisions while stoned, period".

[Medlar]

Space Cowboy.

roflmao

[Captain Colon]

No, he has a point...the hard part is "doing it properly." The only way I could think of is to keep it small enough that you're not worth going after. I'm sure there's tons of people that just run little "side businesses" and will never get in any trouble because they don't care about trying to be badass gangstas, they just want a little extra cash. Most of them probably aren't high-school dropouts who can't spell the name of what they're selling.

[FloppyDisk]

No, he has a point...the hard part is "doing it properly." The only way I could think of is to keep it small enough that you're not worth going after. I'm sure there's tons of people that just run little "side businesses" and will never get in any trouble because they don't care about trying to be badass gangstas, they just want a little extra cash. Most of them probably aren't high-school dropouts who can't spell the name of what they're selling.

Yeah, I've sold some reefer when I was low on cash and had the intial investment money. At the very least, I'll not have to pay for any that I smoke. But man it helps fill up the tank and keeps me supplied with cigarettes. Doing that shit is ridiculous. 30 some odd people? There's no way in hell I could trust that many people to keep their mouth shut and not fuck me over. Hell, I can't even throw a party with that many people and keep it under control. Fuck that.

[Shinobi]

The same applies to a high-enough volume of any product.....George Jung couldn't possibly have snorted enough of the product he was moving to make himself poor, he would have overdosed long before that could happen.



Fair enough except there are far fewer people pushing hard drug volumes to live like that, and most importantly the type of person to be on a hard drug supply wouldnt be able to function well enough to not make huge mistakes or get killed.

EDIT: now that I think about it I've never heard of a sucessful coke dealer who does coke

[GoatChomper]

No, he has a point...the hard part is "doing it properly." The only way I could think of is to keep it small enough that you're not worth going after.
With the political advantage to be gained by your local sheriff from any and every bust, there is no such thing as being too small to be noticed and busted. So the total cost of prosecuting and jailing somebody who sold $100.00 worth of weed winds up being $50,000.00.....what does the sheriff care? It's the taxpayers' money being spent, not his, and it enhances his reelection chances.

[Seanobi]

With the political advantage to be gained by your local sheriff from any and every bust, there is no such thing as being too small to be noticed and busted. So the total cost of prosecuting and jailing somebody who sold $100.00 worth of weed winds up being $50,000.00.....what does the sheriff care? It's the taxpayers' money being spent, not his, and it enhances his reelection chances.

Pleeeeeease tell me you at least see a problem with this system.

[Toastar]

That's why Canada doesn't have elections for the sheriffs and police chiefs.

[Captain Colon]

I don't recall ever seeing any signs urging you to vote someone for sherriff either

[Toastar]

you still have to vote for them don't you?

[Seanobi]

Around here we do. Everyplace else I've lived has had Sheriff elections as well. Sounds like Colon just doesn't exercise his God given American right to vote. Maybe we should ship his ass off to Finland now.

[Towelie]

The old "Dont smoke your own product" addage is ridiculous. Around here, a good number of the smaller-time dealers(guys that pick up an Ounce or two at a time) sell without the desire to make a single dollar of profit. My friends used to do it all the time. You buy an ounce for say $250 (actually pretty damn low for OC prices), then you call up all the wealthy pot-smokers you know (again, orange county, probably more of these here than in other places) and say you're looking to get rid of an eighth of "dank nugs" for $50. Do this 5-6 times to get your moneys worth back + gas and munchies money, and you end up with having a full tank of gas, a full stomach, all $250 back, and an extra quad(7 grams) to smoke all to yourself/friends. Selling pot in Orange County is just too easy. I've never done it, but one reason is because of my comedic bad-luck. I dont want to know what having an "unlucky day" would be like for me if I had a pair of ounces in my posession.

[siddy]

50 bucks for an eighth? dear lord.

i'd never get into dealing drugs...I have however, been around for friends during drug deals...even when i knew everyone involved, it was still a bit tense when lots of drugs, and lots of money is in play.

[Shinobi]

The old "Dont smoke your own product" addage is ridiculous. Around here, a good number of the smaller-time dealers(guys that pick up an Ounce or two at a time) sell without the desire to make a single dollar of profit. My friends used to do it all the time. You buy an ounce for say $250 (actually pretty damn low for OC prices), then you call up all the wealthy pot-smokers you know (again, orange county, probably more of these here than in other places) and say you're looking to get rid of an eighth of "dank nugs" for $50. Do this 5-6 times to get your moneys worth back + gas and munchies money, and you end up with having a full tank of gas, a full stomach, all $250 back, and an extra quad(7 grams) to smoke all to yourself/friends. Selling pot in Orange County is just too easy. I've never done it, but one reason is because of my comedic bad-luck. I dont want to know what having an "unlucky day" would be like for me if I had a pair of ounces in my posession.


see my post

also if you ever show me someone on coke who can flip an 8ball and still have enough to keep going I'd probably call you a liar.

[GrosPoisson]

I don't recall ever seeing any signs urging you to vote someone for sherriff either

They're around, it's just usually in smaller towns and suburbs that they bother posting them. Of course, this is relative, I live in a "small" suburb back home that has 120,000+ people in it.

That's not counting the illegals either, and let me tell you, we have a lot of them.

[Walnut]

With the political advantage to be gained by your local sheriff from any and every bust, there is no such thing as being too small to be noticed and busted. So the total cost of prosecuting and jailing somebody who sold $100.00 worth of weed winds up being $50,000.00.....what does the sheriff care? It's the taxpayers' money being spent, not his, and it enhances his reelection chances.

I don't think a pot bust will help that much. There aren't many people that care much about it. If it was heroin or something like that, yeah, but pot?

[Daywalker]

That's why Canada doesn't have elections for the sheriffs and police chiefs.


police cheifs are usually mayor appointed.

[FaKToR]

strike

[Shinobi]

20 here for premo :D

[FaKToR]

Not everyone lives in Marijuana land.

[Moe_Rahn]

I don't think a pot bust will help that much. There aren't many people that care much about it. If it was heroin or something like that, yeah, but pot?
The single biggest reason our local sheriff is still in office is because under his administration about twelve billion meth labs have been busted. Nobody hears about if they make a pot bust. I honestly don't know if they make any, but every week we'll have an article in the paper saying "Sheriff Personally Beats The Living Hell Out Of A Bunch Of Crank Addicts" or somesuch.

[GoatChomper]

Pleeeeeease tell me you at least see a problem with this system.
Yes, that's the main reason I never bothered to apply for an LEO position after completing the academy.....I didn't feel like getting drafted into The War On Some Drugs.
I don't think a pot bust will help that much.
Oh, yes it will indeed.....bag a trailerful of weed, and the voters will definitely keep him/her in office.

Remember what I said about every bust helping for election.....a sheriff who can point to a large number of arrests looks productive. The previous sheriff we had here in Béxar County would just about race the camera crews to the scene of a bust of some loser caught with $50.00 worth of crack to get his ugly face on film, and the voters here kept him in office for seven years.

[Daywalker]

if you have a boring county, maybe weed busts are big. But, most people care about other stuff, harder drugs or just plain different things.

[GoatChomper]

if you have a boring county.....
It doesn't have to be "boring" for his reelection purposes.....no sheriff in his right mind is going to run on a platform of appearing soft on crime as attested by fewer arrests.

[Daywalker]

so are you saying the vast majority of counties have adequte manpower to pursue everything? They have to make choices on which ones to focus time on, people care a lot more about harder drugs.

[kreket]

Does voting for a sheriff affect his policies in any other areas? A very cynical person might say that what you describe here would hurt the prevention of crime in favour of catching the criminal, but that'd pull down the whole district for the worse and discourage reelections.

[BattleWhack]

Back when I was into that, for a year or so, the town I lived in was so lax about it that it was hard NOT to sell a bit on the side.

I knew a guy that once got caught with an ounce in a routine traffic stop, and the town sherriff was just like, "Don't get stupid with that stuff, kid"

And let him go.

[SWATJester_os]

The moral of the story: DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW

[GoatChomper]

so are you saying the vast majority of counties have adequte manpower to pursue everything?
They don't have to pursue everything.....a sheriff with as big a hard-on for reelection as "High Noon Harlon" had is going to trumpet any action, no matter how small.
Does voting for a sheriff affect his policies in any other areas?
Depends on what the voters like.....remember, humans aren't entirely rational animals.

[siddy]

The moral of the story: DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW

The law wasn't their biggest threat.

[Lord Kelvin]

It's still sort of ridiculous IMO how a semi-illiterate pizza boy managed to do all that shit in a small town, even with meth labs and such, and not get busted faster.

[SWATJester_os]

The law wasn't their biggest threat.

Not the point. But for committing illegal activities like drug dealing THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH ANY OF THAT SHIT!

[Shinobi]

unless they applied themselves,, maintain a dealership of under an ounce at all time in BC (EDIT: and aparently Cali???) and you can never get busted,


maximum penalty 200$ fine with no record


I pertty much think this thread is going nowhere, people agree that elected sheriffs are a bad idea and are debating on excruciating details,,

goat this i one thread I wont bitch about if you close

[GrosPoisson]

unless they applied themselves,, maintain a dealership of under an ounce at all time in BC (EDIT: and aparently Cali???) and you can never get busted

Possession of marijuana is a misdemeanor under California Health and Safety Code Section 11357. Possession of one ounce (28.5 gms) or less is punishable by a maximum $100 fine; jail time is possible for larger amounts or for hashish, which is an optional felony ("wobbler"). Possession offenders can avoid conviction by making a preguilty plea under Penal Code 1000, in which case their charges are dismissed upon successful completion of a diversion program. Possession offenses are expunged from the record after two years under Health and Safety Code Sections 11361.5 and 11361.7.

From some self-proclaimed pot expert's site off of Google.


So that's why so many people at my high school never got arrested.

[Shinobi]

surpirse! :D

[GoatChomper]

Pleeeeeease tell me you at least see a problem with this system.
As with anything involving humans, it's subject to some degree of abuse.....but then again, being able to elect the chief law enforcement officer of where you live gives you some ex curia ability to decide what laws get enforced. Randy Weaver once ran for sheriff in Boundary County, Idaho on the promise of enforcing only those local and state laws the residents of the county wanted enforced and created a business card with "One Get-Out-Of-Jail Pass FREE" printed on the back, two things which may have contributed substantially to his later misfortunes.

And yes, I post this knowing that Weaver was the kind of asshole I wouldn't want for either a neighbor or a government employee.....but you don't always get to pick your neighbors, while you usually can pick your sheriff and can vote to run his ass off if he proves to have been a bad choice.

Consider this asshole (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1020tickets20.html).....is this the sort of asshole you'd want to see appointed, with no option to get rid of him?

[Canuk]

A half o goes for about $100 here.

[Teufel Eldritch]

The moral of the story: DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW
Don't break the law? Wtf you smoking?(haha! bad pun) A person can't go a day w/o breaking the law! Besides some laws are so fucking stupid they should be broken.

[Shinobi]

A half o goes for about $100 here.


you must be east coast

[Shinobi]

Don't break the law? Wtf you smoking?(haha! bad pun) A person can't go a day w/o breaking the law! Besides some laws are so fucking stupid they should be broken.


amen

[SWATJester_os]

Don't break the law? Wtf you smoking?(haha! bad pun) A person can't go a day w/o breaking the law! Besides some laws are so fucking stupid they should be broken.

i go several days at a time even weeks without breaking the law. How hard is it?

[Lord Kelvin]

He might be talking about low-level laws, like jaywalking.