Official WaW Weapons Forum Anti-Zombie/Pro-Zombie Thread

[Seanobi]

http://jeejacquet.free.fr/donnie/zombie%20photo%2004.jpg

You knew it had to happen eventually. Post your anti-zombie loadouts, your zombie fighting stories, and everything else relevant to zombies and weapons.

[Alex teh Great]

Because I've been playing so much Mafia lately...I'd have to say my primary weap would be a Thompson with the big 50rd drum. For close range zombie downage I don't know if it could get any better. High capacity, and while it may not have much power compared to a rifle, zombie flesh is soft and would let bullets pass through. So I figure your best bet is to go with "No replacement for displacement" :D and go for the fattest rounds possible.

Actually I'd probably take our benelli nova as it's the only synthetic pumpgun we have that also has a fiber optic front bead for night shooting. We don't have too much buck bud birdshot should suffice.

I'd be kinda screwed for a backup pistol as we don't have anything large caliber, but I'd probably take our Star Super B 9mm as it's a very comfortable and accurate pistol.

Then I'd take a bludgeoning weapon. I don't want too much disease-ridden zombie blood flying out at me when I'm that close, so a good baseball bat would be ok. Or I could start weightlifting so I can use a maul like a great warhammer....or a cricket bat :D

My vehicle would be our bright orange International pickup, don't know the year. It's old and the front bumper is built for bashing through shit without getting fucked up. Very capable off-road and a 7500lb. winch can never hurt.

[Col. Psycho]

Right. This is my first Decleration of Anti-Zombie Warfare - listen closely:

1) Weapons:-

I plan to carry 3 weapons at most, 1 at minimum. This does NOT count melee. My weapons would be:

a) FN FAL or G3 battle rifle. preferably with collapsable stock. 7.62N for good damage at most ranges (short to extended-medium) and with the compactness it wouldnt be hard to handle in confined spaces such as buildings et cetera.

b) shotgun 12GA - any pump action all purpose 12 gauge shotgun would do for a backup weapon. I'd prefer pump action but would settle for double barrel sawn off as a temporary weapon.

c) 1911 or any other pistol in a larger caliber like .45 - i want stopping power. I dont mind carrying twice as many magazines, as long as i can stop the fucker with the first shot.

Melee - this would be any decent bludgening device, either a large hammer, a baseball bat or even a steel pipe. I'd prefer a baseball bat for weight purposes but if im in a vehicle i can afford to carry something heavy like a decent 5lb hammer or large steel pipe.

2) Vehicles:-

I plan on operating from either an offroad capable vehicle or a large truck. If possible, a military vehicle or security / police van that has been armored would do nicely. It needs a decent powerplant without massive fuel consumption.

3) Crew:-

If i had the choice, i'd take my right hand man and partner in crime. Him, and another two fellas from the group i hang out with on weekends. I wouldnt want more than 4 and less than 2. The more people you have, the more wasted ammo and food. However im open to operating in larger units of maybe 3 - 5 vehicles, on a first come first serve scavenger basis. In other words, what you find is yours. no arguements.

4) Plan of Action:-

I'd want to locate an easily defendable location. somewhere that has a supply of fresh water and a large defensive perimeter. Preferably out of town where the zombie populace is supposedly more sparse. I'd have vehicles on standby for immediate evac should the location be comprimised. I'd have a radio-intercom system in which every member carries his own radio and is tied in with every other member. Patrols would be conducted in teams of two, and there would be no less that 1 patrol going at all times, on rotation.

5) Final Notes:-

The zombie resistance front would have to operate in unison to defeat all traces of zombie scum. We must work together on clearing the world of the menace. Total eradication and the systematic destruction of all zombie and undead creatures would be key to the survival of mankind.

If a situation should ever arise, i hope all nations can put thier differences behind them and work together for a better future. With modern technology, re-animation of the dead is not impossible. It has been done on dogs. Whats to say it hasnt been done on humans? something can always go wrong.

We must live for the day ahead and not the life infront of us. Before we can live for the life infront of us we must cement the day ahead of us and provide for the future by taking such provisions and preventions against such a thing as the Zombie Menace, should it ever appear in our day and age.

To my fellow AZTF Members - Good hunting, out.
Col. Psycho

[CT]

Well, first issue would be manpower and weapons, second issue would be immediate transportation away from affected/populated areas. The final, most overlooked, and probably most important issue would be sustainability.

Weapons:

Primary medium to long range system:

I would look for something along the lines of an m16/ar15 design for a main battle rifle. The AK family would be a distant second. Sustainability is important here, and the m16 platform shares many parts with the ar15 platform, and both are manufactured millions. Ammo would also be a consideration, and in the us at least, 5.56mm ammunition is the most common. I would also have platforms for 7.62x39, and 7.62 nato. It just so happens most of my reloading equiptment, and supplies on hand, are geared to 5.56.

Short to medium range:

As far as i am concerned, at this range, its really too late. (50m - 100m) Shotgun with HP rifled slugs, lots of them. I got a good ol reliable mossberg 18.5" (persuader series) shotgun based on the 500 platform, Again, good parts availabilty in the US. Extended mag tube, stock cuff with 5 slugs in it, and bandoleer with 45 slugs in it (its a tad heavy, but i can live with that)

CQB (under 50)

Only way i can see this happening is indoors. Again, mossberg.

Last resort:

My Colt 1911 XSE series. I have 4 mags for it on my tac vest, and its sitting right there on the left side kidney holdster. I also have a buckmaster knife, but i dont think i would ever get down to deploying that.

Transportation:

No doubt about it, raid the national guard. Secure yourself a HEMMTT M977 tactical truck. 10 tons of 8 wheeled fury. Also has mounts for the m249 (might as well snag yourself some). Vehicle is fairly common throughout the ground forces of the US. Incredibly offroad capable, and is more than a 1 on 1 match for the bradley at full tilt in terms of terrain handling. MASSIVE cargo capacity, with a carge wieght of 6 tons. Also pretty conservative with fuel, clocks a 480 mile range on a single fillup. Would also make an exellent tactical command and supply center on its own. Snag two if you can.

Survivability:

Someplace with seasons, preferably mountainous, and a few hundred miles from populous centers. I dont think the undead would be prepared for cold winters (flesh freezes) and the distance over varied terrain should be enoug to keep them away. Sustainable farming techniques should provide the vehicles with fuel (oil rich crops like soy can be converted into biodiesel, and can be used as a 1 for 1 replacement in enarly all diesel engines) and food for the survival group. Smaller group, not more than needed to run equiptment, defences, and agricultural systems. Should also snag large supplies of 'starter' material, such as fertilizer, seed, and required pestacides. Should snag a good amount of MREs while raiding for the HEMMTTs.

[SinistralRifleman]

Slow Zombies or Fast Zombies?

[SWATJester_os]

Dear god how could you people let me forget my creation!!!!!!

Thank you for resurrecting it from the bowels of the FA forum depths.

[Col. Psycho]

zombies in all thier forms.

tbh im sick of the debate on "WUT IF DEY R FAST OENZ. DEN WUT?!" or "IZ they liek 28days later onez or slow onez or wut man? OMG WUT WEPONS."

not insulting you sin, you dont make idiotic posts that have hundreds upon hundreds of sentances stating why the zombies are slow ones et cetera - but i'd just like to get it out of the way that it doesnt matter what type of zombies they are, a zombie is a zombie. either way it must be exterminated.

so from here on out, doesnt matter what sort of zombie it is, its a zombie and must be killed.

[SinistralRifleman]

my Anti-zombie Rig:

http://www.cavalryarms.com/funny/zombierig-2.jpg

[GusButts]

I'd carry a Cav Arms SST-590 and a Para-Ordnance P14-45.

[Wallrod]

Not much use yet, but have a sticky on the house.

[Captain Colon]

zombies in all thier forms.

tbh im sick of the debate on "WUT IF DEY R FAST OENZ. DEN WUT?!" or "IZ they liek 28days later onez or slow onez or wut man? OMG WUT WEPONS."

not insulting you sin, you dont make idiotic posts that have hundreds upon hundreds of sentances stating why the zombies are slow ones et cetera - but i'd just like to get it out of the way that it doesnt matter what type of zombies they are, a zombie is a zombie. either way it must be exterminated.

so from here on out, doesnt matter what sort of zombie it is, its a zombie and must be killed.
Well I think it kinda matters...if they're fast zombies then I'm fucked unless I have some kind of bomb shelter and liquid-cooled machinegun, cause there's now way I'm outrunning something that doesn't need to breathe :\

[General Bordinko]

Short List.

M4
Mossy 500
1911
Boots
Knife
Ammo

Woman.

[Captain Colon]

Woman.
Death sentence D:

[Frost]

Woman.
Sorry to say, she'll end up getting bit and you'll have to shoot her.

[Polaris_Echoes]

Sorry to say, she'll end up getting bit and you'll have to shoot her.

Probably, that would suck. :(

I'd still take her with me though.

[Sharpshooter6]

Probably, that would suck. :(

I'd still take her with me though.


It'd be fun for a while.

[Towelie]

Woman.

Unneccesary risk of a TRAP

My zombie loadout?

Shotgun:
My Remington 870 12 Gauge 7-shot Security w/ Sidesaddle

Sidearm:
Since mag capacity is a big issue when dealing with zombies, my sidearm of choice would be a SIG P226 in .40 S&W, even though my real-life practical choice for a handgun would be a single-stack 1911, just cuz I said so.

Rifle:
Although my M1A would be sufficient for most anti-zombie contingencies, it is a bit on the heavy side, and if I was on the run, a lighter carbine would be more suitable. I'd still keep my M1A around and use it for longer-range zombie killing, but up-close I'll go with an 11.5" AR-15. Something along these lines:
http://www.kotiposti.net/mritala/pics/SBRsmall2.jpg

Subgun:
Do you even have to ask? (http://www.m00farm.com/csj/full-auto/1.WMV) I mean, sure, it is the only SMG i've ever fired, but man was it a blast to shoot, easy to control, good RoF, and 9mm is such an easily otainable round.

[BlindSite]

Loadout

Melee

Katana - been through this multiple times, I am one of the few on these forums who actually both own one and can wield one.

Sidearm -

.357 Colt Python I used to own one of these but had to sell it, I cried that day. :(

Primary -

Preferrably a .12 guage pump action shotgun, the reason for this is in a confined place pointing and squeezing at the body mass will do enough damage, aside from this is sends the enemy backwards which is a bonus if retreating up stairs.

I'd want to wear a longish coat and standard army fatigues as pants (got them from a surplus store for paintball) with the boots of the same issue. I'd try to gain a kevlar vest from any abandoned police station or body to protect from both friendly fire and other things such as being bitten on the belly. I'd also wear protective eyewear and more than likley try to get my hands on neoprene sleeves like footballers wear since they're nicley durable and I'd imagine not easy to bite through.

Vehicle

I'd want something like a toyota hilux with a decent engine in it, say a turbo supra engine like my neighbour has, plenty of grunt and speed even if the fuel economy isn't good. Add to this the tray back which would be handy for carrying people and supplies and you've got something that can also go off road.

Plan of attack: Gather supplies and few survivors and get the fuck out of town or into a securable location with plenty of food and fresh water.

[Seanobi]

Rifle (Bolt Action) - Remington 700 in .308. I figure that I'd be able to use this not only for long-distance zombie dispatching, but also for hunting in case food becomes too scarce.

Rifle (Semi-Auto/Auto) - FN FAL, also in .308. This would be my primary anti-zombie weapon, and the ammo commonality between it and the Remi' 700 would make for a lesser ammo load.

Shotgun - Remington 870, 12 ga. A nice, reliable close encounter weapon with a common form of ammunition and an alright magazine capacity.

Handgun (Revolver) - Ruger GP100, .357 Magnum. The one with the 4" barrel. Just in case, it'd be nice to be able to have something moderately powerful if the S hits the F.

Handgun (Autoloader) - Glock 21, .45 ACP. A high-capacity semi-auto pistol could definitely come in handy, and .45 ACP has mad ztoppen powar!1!!

Vehicle - 1995 Subaru Legacy Wagon. My car is a pretty butch little ride, and it has plenty of room to store all the weapon and equipment I should ever need. In case the back fills up, there's also a roof rack. Plus, it's AWD, so it's capable of keeping a grip on the roads even if they become slick wit hthe blood of both the undead and their victims.

[Thorbard]

Ah, Zombie Splatteryness.

I just had an interesting thought. People normaly say that you dont really need a long range weapon, because if you're at a distance from the zombies, you should be running and not shooting. But if you're working in say, a team of 4, two of you could wait behind in a position to provide covering fire, while the other two approach a building that must be entered for some reason or other (you need food/ammo/fuel).

The two waiting behind would want longer ranged weapons with heavy ammunition, say a G3 or FN FAL, while those approaching the structure would only need short ranged shotguns and handguns.

My current preference for weaponry is:

Rifle
M4/M16 carbine

Shotgun
M870, with an SST stock

Backup
Something with reasonably heavy ammo. A colt M1911 or USP Match in .45

Melee
Currently I'm thinking axes are good for both chopping and bludgeoning, plus its a useful tool to have.

Tac lights mounted wherever possible, as power supplies are likely to be unreliable.

Vehicle
A pickup truck of some kind, although efficency is useful, so is the fact that they can go anywhere and are nearly indistructible. A mil-spec hummer would also be good. Diesel engines are a requirement, because of the bio-diesel thing.

Running to the country side is a good idea, where you can set up a community of survivors who work together. Traveling in convoy is a good idea as if your vehicle breaks down when you're alone you have to walk, which isnt ideal.

[Mystrick]

I think the type of zombie depends on the type or virus/infection. So that would mean every type of zombie is there?

Load out-

Firearms

Primary:

Rifle - COLT M4A1 (http://www.military.pl/m/images/items/colt-m4-risnc.jpg). ACC - ACOG, TAC light, double clip, silencer, sling, maybe M203

M4 is compact, adjustable stock, enough stopping power, and most popular rifle round.

Secondary

Submachine gun - H&K MP5A3 (http://srtsupply.com/images/HK/mp5a3.jpg). ACC - Aimpoint, TAC light, double clip, sling, silencer.

The MP5 (Like the M4) has an adjustable stock and is compact, popular round also, and is small enough to carry with a rifle.

Backup

Pistol - COLT M1911 (http://handguns.g00net.org/Colt/Colt_1911_ser80_custom.jpeg). ACC- TAC light, extra mags.

Melee - WILDERNESS Edge (http://www.tek-tite.com/src/product_info.php?id=787). ACC - Liquid filled compass, ceramic sharpening rods, fishing kit (hooks, lead shot, swivels, fly), mini fishing reel, animal snare, instant fire starter, signaling mirror with sight, splash-Lite™ flashlight (Lithium battery included)


Cannot go wrong with an M1911 or the survival knife.

Vehicles

I'm pretty sure by the time the Zombie nuisance comes about I'll know how to fly helicopters.

Primary - HH-65 Dolphin (http://www.bluejacket.com/uscg/images/cg_hh65_dolphin2.jpg). ACC - You son's of bitches ;)

The Dolphin and I would mainly be used for quick transportation, sleek, sexy, and damn good.

Secondary - Military Hummer (http://ripleyhs.jack.k12.wv.us/studentweb/spring04/jonathon/PersonalPage/military%20hummer.jpg). ACC - Suppplies, people, M2 .50 cal (for the more agressive zombies)

Rugid, safe, and fast enough.


*ACC = Accessories

Clothing

Long Underwear (http://outersports.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/thermal-underwear-silk.jpg) - Must for cold weather, extra protection.

BDU (http://www.armsfactory.com/shopping/item_img/s2s_bdu_camo.jpg) - Extra protection, pockets, more uniformed (lol pun).

Delta Force style helmet (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Delta+Force+helmet/v=2/SID=e/l=IVS/SIG=12dr6fuhb/EXP=1123985430/*-http%3A//www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Mil-Force/hp-us(L).jpg) - Light weight, lets your head breath.

Tactical vest (http://www.tacticalmarkers.com/catalog/images/VEST01BL_2B.jpg) - Allows extra pistol, clips, map, radio, protection, knife, and various other accessories.

M16 (http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Mil-Force/sbl-16.jpg) and MP5 (http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Mil-Force/sbl-4.jpg) extra mag pouches - Obvious reasons, goes on hips.

(Yes I do realize the helmet and mag pouches are from an airsoft site, but what works works)

Non slip leg holster (http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/305_load_bearing/soe_01/soe_drop_leg_holster_socom_04.jpg) - Allows carrying of sidearm and an extra mag.

Steel Toe Combat Boots (http://www.outinstyle.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/STEELTOEBOOTDET.jpg) - Steel toe provides for toe protection and the double stitching provides even better protection.

Hiking Socks (http://www.americazz.com/products/sports_socks/hiking_socks_11.jpg) - Provides warmth and comfort of feet.

Black Gloves (http://www.armynavyshop.com/thumbs/rc4469black.jpg) - Provides warmth and protection from "spitters".


Black Balaclava (http://bikerheadwear.com/images/skullpix/Knit_balaclava_black_small.jpg) - Same as gloves.

Flight Deck goggles (http://www.navy.gov.au/publications/touchdown/html/august2003/goggles.jpg) - Durability and allows unhindered vision in sand storms, blizzards, and rain.

Generation III NVG (http://www.telescopes-binoculars-night-vision.com/gfx/small/itt-mv-pvs-7-ultra-gen-3-night-vision-goggles.jpg) - Vision at night.



Location:

Primary:

Cave System - Allows bottle necking, saftey, and hopefully fresh water (water tablets are a must)

Secondary:

Offshore Oilrig - Saftey from all zombies, makes a good HQ, and allows helicopter accessability.

Teams:

4 to 5 people - Small number yet large enough to properly defend yourselves. Must have a home base and more people to provide reserves.

[Stig]

My ridiculous loadout.

Primary :
Browning M2 with Depleted Uranium rounds. Perfect for ripping that zombie in half. Plus the guys behind him.

Secondary :
Striker shotgun. It's got a lot of rounds so I can take out a small group of zombies before reloading.

Pistol :
Dual Desert Eagles. With gold plating. I'll be so blinging that the zombies will make remarks to each other about it. Oh, in .50 AE, of course.

Melee :
HATTORI HANZO KATANA. Like in Kill Bill.
HWATCHA! Take that Zombie!

Bonus Weapon :
Flame Thrower with as much Gasoline as I can get my hands on (in a post apocalyptic world, there should be plenty, right?) Roast those bitches into dust.

Vehicle :
A Limo. You can fit a lot of stuff or people in there, plus it would look pretty pimp. Turning might be a problem, but it's not like traffic is going to be an issue.

[kreket]

Immediate arming:

Frying pans and shovels. A weapon capable of delivering some nasty blows and you need a good shovel if you are driving and bump into minor avalanches or buildups of snow. Can also be used as shields to a lesser extent.

Armor will not be readily available, so I'll basically grab anything that goes. Knee and elbove protectives tend to be common in sports stores, along with leg protectives. (This is for Europe. I imagine a sport store in N.America would have a larger supply of US football or hockey protectives.) There are some low points on armor. I don't want to be slowed down and overwhelmed. I want humans to be able to see on my face and my manner that I am not a zombie. All armor can be tested through the 'bite test', invented on the go.

Better weapons over time:

There will always be the idiot. I'm making a mental note of using weapons that are not exceptional or keeping such obvious on my person. This is to avoid the fuckwits who are convinced they cannot survive without the best gear and manage to convince themselves it's okay to shoot you. Bringing a spare weapon in case I bump into unarmed people would also be a way to avoid the situations where people keep asking for the gun. This means I would possibly be carrying multiple weapons in my rocksack. I'd avoid the riot gear of a policeman. I don't want to answer question on how I acquired it to nervous fellow survivours or the occasional dumbfuck authority. ("Well you would say that you just found it, wouldn't you? You're going in for murder on a policeman, son. These are times of martial law, so we're going to hold a quick trial on you, you psychopath.")

The best weapons in my opinion are the ones you're going to find ammunition for. The standard army rifle or smg, most common hunting rifle and shotguns. The same with pistols and revolvers. I'm an awfull shot, so my choice would be a shotgun until I had the aim and guts for something with precision. Regular training with a firearm would be a must. Something else would be nice to have if friendlies end up in a melee with zombies, but I just don't know what.

Locations sought:

Easiest ways for a human to acquire food from nature today other than from berry bushes is fishing. Setting a net, using a fishing rod or the lesser known utilities doesn't take that much skill. The sea will probably give a border of defence and a relatively safe route to travel on. If all goes wrong, I've never heard of swimming zombies.

My goal would be to get to relatives living on the countryside. This is not because I would want to burden them, but because they would probably not label me as a looter out to shoot other living human beings. They would also be more experienced in surviving by the countryside.

If I find somewhere to live, putting up strategic defences would become important in the long run. Maybe those fish production facilities (forgot the english term) would be usefull as both food and defence. Living in a shack on a small platform in the sea, but still only a few meters from the coast could be perfect in this situation. As long as there was no storm, no hostile humans and the boat I'm using didn't drift away.

Just surviving.

An important aspect of survival is spare clothes. Wear the same boots for a month without taking them off and you will have destroyed them. You need good clothes for surviving. With the amount of gear I'm going to run around with a car or a boat would be usefull. If I have a choice, something that doesn't consume too much gas would be pretty darn usefull.

Potatoes and vegetables are pretty easy to grow and pick. Keeping tame animals (sheeps, goats and pigs first, maybe cows but they have to be milked and all that trouble) would be a bit of a trouble but maybe not that much once you've put up enough fences.

In hunting for meat I'd like to use massive amounts of fishing nets hung up in trees and chase the game into it. Fishing nets would take damage from this..

[GrosPoisson]

Great idea... I don't think there's been much attention paid to the human element of a zombie-induced disaster.

I think I'd be pretty much screwed, and would have to run from basically everything. I don't have any firearms, and I have almost no trigger time, so any guns and ammunition I acquired would probably be better spent as barter items. I would hope that if a zombie scenario happened down here that holing up on some of the better constructed buildings on campus would be sufficient until MCRD Pendleton and the Navy bases down here turned loose all their assets in an attempt to rescue survivors and restore order.

[Enders]

My equipment would be similar to that neighbor guy in 28 Days Later
-Riot gear (helmet-with the full face glass covering, bullet proof vest, pads, etc.)
-Riot Shield
-Replace the axe or stick or whatever he had with a crowbar or something equally devistating

Weapons would include:
-M249 SAW
-S&W Model 500

And Location...Either:
-Top floor of an apartement, with narrow stairs.
or
-Gunshop.

[Skyler]

Hmm...
M-14 with some type of 4x optic
AR-15 carbine with reflex sight
Remington 870 12ga, longest possible mag tube
S&W M-19 .357 revolver
Glock 35 .40cal
Sig P226 9mm

[SWATJester_os]

With all my heavily armed force, I'd take a few attractive young women of child-bearing age, for repopulation and entertainment purposes. No sense letting them go to waste and get bit.

[Mystrick]

Alright, if we're going to do real survival of zombies.

In the beginning I'd only have 3 guns, why? Because that's how many we have here.

Not sure of the makes but they're pretty old but still work.

One Semi-Automatic .22 Rifle (scoped, sling)
One breach loading single-shot shotgun
One Bolt-Action Mauser .22 rifle. (scoped)

As for the clothing, I have all of that.

Vehicles-

Coachme van
1967 Chevorlet baby blue truck with a white cab
Gold Saturn (not sure of the year)

I'm about 7 miles from a small village (Bourbonnais, Summer training camp of the Chicago Bears if you don't know where it is) so the number of zombies coming through would be remote. I have the Kankakee River in walking distance so I could drive there with my dad's boat and float down stream and fish (if wildlife isn't affected).

Seems about as real as I could get.

[Stig]

I just finished reading Ultimate Fantastic Four (stay with me here) and the story is kind of interesting. Some Super Hero got infected and made his way into New York. The avengers arrive to stop him and all they accomplish is getting infected themselves. So, all these guys with super powers go around eating people and infecting other people with super powers who are trying to stop them.
I dunno. I just think that a zombie with Super Speed just isn't fair.

Also. Zombie Hulk.

[Mikemyers64]

Primary:
M4A1 with Remington 870 MCS Auxilery Shotgun attached

Secondary:
Walther P99

Couple grenades

Regular cloths, cargo pants especially. just a gun holster for the pistol and a vest to carry extra ammo and the grenades.

Vehicles:
A semi truck fitted with a snow plow to plow through the hords of zombies

Location:
A airport, preferably a private one

[Polaris_Echoes]

Alright, if we're going to do real survival of zombies.

In the beginning I'd only have 3 guns, why? Because that's how many we have here.

Not sure of the makes but they're pretty old but still work.

One Semi-Automatic .22 Rifle (scoped, sling)
One breach loading single-shot shotgun
One Bolt-Action Mauser .22 rifle. (scoped)

As for the clothing, I have all of that.

Vehicles-

Coachme van
1967 Chevorlet baby blue truck with a white cab
Gold Saturn (not sure of the year)

I'm about 7 miles from a small village (Bourbonnais, Summer training camp of the Chicago Bears if you don't know where it is) so the number of zombies coming through would be remote. I have the Kankakee River in walking distance so I could drive there with my dad's boat and float down stream and fish (if wildlife isn't affected).

Seems about as real as I could get.


There's also a number of places around here that we could get some decent firearms. We'd be a kick ass duo.

[Shadow]

Hmmm....my turn.

PRIMARY FIREARM
Colt M4-A1 Gen III (http://gamma.applepics.com/7/userfiles/431c6c721bded.jpg) 5.56x45mm NATO Automatic Carbine Rifle with KAC Rail Adaptor System, M203 40x46mm Single-Shot Breech-Loading Grenade Launcher, Trijicon ACOG TA-01NSN 4x32 Self-Luminous Optical Sight, AN/PEQ-2 Infra-red Illuminator/Designator and Laser aiming Module, KAC Suppressor with 16 Magazines and 10 40x46mm Grenades.

SECONDARY FIREARM
Heckler & Koch Mark 23 (http://www.pistolskytte.org/info/vapen/HK_MARK_23.jpg) .45ACP Semi-Automatic Pistol with Insight Technology LAM 450 (http://69.20.48.11/rsra-j/INTLAM950A2.jpg) Laser Aiming Module/Tactical Flashlight with 5 Magazines.

MELEE WEAPONS
Ka-Bar Black Fighter (https://www.kabar.com/product_detail.jsp?productNumber=1271&mode=category&categoryId=1,2,3,7&categoryName=Military/Tactical) 8-Inch Fixed Blade Combat Knife.

ASP 21 Inch Expandable Heavyweight Baton.

UNIFORM
T-14 (http://www.flightsuits.com/images/uniform/unif_tactical.jpg)NOMEX Level IIIA 6.5 Ounce Long Sleeve Police Tactical Uniform.

Hi-Tec Magnum Kevlar Boot (http://dsp.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1363872dt.jpg)Black.

Blackhawk Industries Hellstorm Black Bibbed NOMEX Balaclava (http://www.blackhawk.com/uploads/product_images/33300004_1.jpg).

Blackhawk Industries Hellstorm Fury with Kevlar Gloves (http://www.blackhawk.com/uploads/product_images/8093-96_2.jpg), Black.

EQUIPMENT
Rabintex Ballistic Helmets Model 303AU (http://www.rabintex.com/images/pages/helmets/450/rbh303au.gif) Level IIIA Kevlar Helmet with Black Helmet Cover.

ProMAX Tactical Level IIIA (http://www.bulletproofme.com/Photos%20-%202002/Upper%20Arm%20Protectors%20-%20Front.jpg) Black Kevlar Vest with Upper Arm Protectors, Level IV Rifle Plates and built-in folding groin protector.

Platypus Outdoors Australian Universal System Vest (http://www.platypusoutdoors.com.au/AUS.htm)with Left Panel as General Purpose Pouch (http://www.platypusoutdoors.com.au/photos/AUS/AUS%20Page%20new/AUS%20GPP%20white%20background%20small.jpg) and Right Panel as Grenade Launcher Attachment (http://www.platypusoutdoors.com.au/photos/AUS/AUS%20Page%20new/AUS%20GLA%20white%20background%20small.jpg). Three topmost GLA Pouches will be rotated on the MOLLE Mount system to accommodate three Pistol magazines Four Extra Grenade Pouches to be purchased to be placed beside the Magazine Pouch. On the rear will be a Source Karakum 3 Litre Hydration Bladder in a Blackhawk Industries S.T.R.I.K.E MOLLE Hydro Pack Carrier (http://www.blackhawk.com/uploads/product_images/37CL37ALL_3.jpg). Blackhawk Industries Enhanced Pistol Belt. Whole kit in Black.

Blackhawk IndustriesOmega Elite Drop-Leg Quad-M16 (http://www.blackhawk.com/uploads/product_images/561602BK-ALL_1.jpg) Magazine Pouch.

Blackhawk Industries SOCOM MK-23 With LAM Holster (http://www.blackhawk.com/uploads/product_images/40SOC1BK.jpg) Black.

Blackhawk Industries Cross-Draw Baton Pouch (http://www.blackhawk.com/uploads/product_images/52CDB1BK.jpg) with Open Top, Black.

Northrop Grumman/Litton AN/PVS-14D (http://www.nvec-night-vision.com/products/images/pvs14.jpg) Generation III+ Night Vision Monocular with Helmet Mount, Compass Attachment and Headmount. (I know, ugly mofo photo)

I think that will about do it...

[GrosPoisson]

Heh, no kidding. Is this stuff you already have access to through the military, private purchases, or a mix of both?

[Kuken]

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/ithaca37st.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/ruger_kgp161.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/svds.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/assault/sig550_2.jpg





and a ferrari or a hd

[Lord Kelvin]

Yeah, sorry to interrupt, but what's this thread about? I remember seeing sigs about this in the previous forum, but never looked into it. From what I can tell, it's a "What would you bring with you if your town were overrun by zombies?" or something to that effect, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Col.Kurtz]

huh, well it doesnt really matter to me which fking gun i pull out of my gun room but uh, i'd be on my roof with a cooler a beer and couple buds waiting for the whole thing to blow over. theres only 2 reasons i would leave that roof.
--i mean what does it matter the gun you use, as long as you kill the fker, deads dead damit


help someone, aseuming i couldnt do it from the roof, and
































beer, lots of beer

[Shadow]

It's a mixture of both. The M4-A1, AN/PEQ-2, M203 and Trijicon ACOG I can all get locally through the defence force. All the other stuff, ie the webbing and that is purchasable straight over the counter - but if the ugly mofos at the counter are infected, I'll take it all for free when I shoot them in the face.

[Mark Gor]

a blue raincoat stuffed with rotting flesh, gasmask/anty smell mask
sawoff dual bareld shotgun and a center contender :)

also some explosive wire :) to blow up the concrete stairs leading to the top apartment of the building i will be camping :)

[Shadow]

ah, Primacord - wonderful shit

[SWATJester_os]

Never got to play with it but I've seen it in use.....looks fun as FUCK. We called it Det Cord though.

[Mr. Fiend]

A semi truck fitted with a snow plow to plow through the hords of zombiesWill a large 4x4 dump truck do? We have one at my job.

A mine clearing flail would also do quite nicely in my opinion, but good luck finding one nowadays.

Preferably, I would not go alone, but would gather some of my friends. My coworkers have an affinity for destruction, so they would do quite well :)

Pistol:
-Probably a 1911 type pistol in .45. Also throw in a Derringer in ankle holster, also in .45.

Primary:
-Saiga 12, if I can scrounge up bigger mags (or hack them up) then all the better.

Melee:
-Louisville Slugger.

Vehicle:
-Aforementioned dump truck with plow. Truck cab and bed are both high off the ground, the bed also provides a nice firing platform. This is the utility vehicle, used for cargo when on the move, and for obtaining supplies in quick raids when staying put.
-Some sort of passenger van or large truck used for shelter. Functional AC and heat are a must, should have some armor, and be able to fit 7-10 people in some comfort. It will be needed in case the stronghold is overrun, or local resources become exhausted.

The Holdout:
This could be tricky. Most of my area is suburban, and aside from two story housing, there are few buildings that could make a good stronghold, and most likely they would be siezed by other opportunists. There are also few areas remote enough to allow one to rough it, and going through the city at a time like this would be... interesting. I'd imagine we would have to make a run for it through the city as soon as possible and try to reach upstate, preferably into the mountains.

EQUIPMENT:

-First aid kit
-MREs and other dried foods
-Gas cans w/gas, funnel, hose
-Beer
-Water cans
-Water purification gear
-Spare fluids for vehicles
-Binoculars
-Beer
-Flares
-Beer
-Portable radios (and mobile if possible)
-Scanner(s)
-Beer
-Rechargeable batteries w/ vehicular and normal chargers
-Beer
-Generator
-Beer
-Loads of ammo
-Beer
-My camo gear, and trusty Dutch mil hat

[uglygun]

Mr. Fiend is the first I have seen to include food....

See my past 2 threads created since I joined up. One has to do with a surplus 5 ton 6x6 and the other has to do with MREs.

After events in New Orleans, I seriously think that we can all replace the word "zombie" with the word "looter". You gotta admit, the scenerios are remarkably similar.

However, to remain politically correct, we will henceforth use the word zombie and forget that I ever mentioned the L-word.

That being said, I've now started to stash away MREs, water, and some other essentials in the event that a bug out ever did occur.

I'm only just now coming up with contingency plans in the event of a zombie infestation. Not sure if I'd bug in and try to make my home my castle or bug out and try to get out of a population center. In both situations, how long can you hold out.

Seriously, as it stands now if I had to bug out I could come home and in 30 minutes could grab enough supplies to retreat to the mountains by myself for going on 2 weeks and possibly 3 weeks. Camping stuff is in the garage attic, ready to go. Guns and ammo are organized so well that it would be the quickest grab. Throw in all the canned foods you can grab ala the opening scenes of Red Dawn, grab the MREs, get clothing together. Gas would be the most difficult thing, hard to keep a vehicle always topped off so that leaves having topped off gas cans available(better make it atleast 30-40 gallons so you can actually get some serious miles between you and the zombie area).

The more and more I think about it, guns are the easiest consideration. Maybe 1 or 2 of my AR15s, definitely my 12gauge, 22lr. for low sound signature when needed, and maybe 2-3 handguns(my 45ACP 1911 and 45ACP revolver is high on the list, plus a 22lr. handgun). Ammo, that's easy, everything I have for whatever guns I wind up taking with me. Think I am currently at 6k rounds of 223Rem(just bought 1k of Wolf 223Rem, if it works well I'll be getting even more to practice with now that M193 is so expensive). 12gauge? I think I have something like 25 boxes laying around.


As for bugging in, there's definite potential for making my house my castle. Provided I have friends come running for shelter knowing how well this home could be defended, I'll trade protection for food and water.

[SWATJester_os]

I included women....it's the most important thing.

[uglygun]

I included women....it's the most important thing.

Yeah, Tang is an important part of getting your daily allotment of essential vitiamins.

[Mr. Fiend]

Mr. Fiend is the first I have seen to include food....That reminds me... Fishing gear. One or two poles and a tackle box wouldn't take long to grab, they're hanging in my garage. A net, maybe even a crab pot and rope would help, and an inflatable raft. Given the right location and some skill, it could equal a sustainable food supply.

An actual boat and trailer would be nice, but I fear hooking it up and towing it may become a liability.

I also forgot cooking gear and firestarters, and other general camping gear.

[uglygun]

That reminds me... Fishing gear. .


But what about zombie fish? Question, would zombie fish be limited to the water only? They would be of limited threat out of water, flopping around helplessly on the ground.

[Mr. Fiend]

But what about zombie fish? Question, would zombie fish be limited to the water only? They would be of limited threat out of water, flopping around helplessly on the ground.Hmm... I don't think they would gain any land mobility from an infection, so unless someone fell in, I think you would be safe. Just a matter of taking extra precautions.

Another question: would salt water prevent the infection of oceanic animals?

[GrosPoisson]

I would say in most cases no. High salt concentrations usually does a number on the cellular lining of most microorganisms. Now, if this zombie infection agent was something like a prion (found in BSE, AKA mad cow disease), it might not. After all, those prions are still present in hamburger meat cooked at what, 300 something degress F? Prions are resilient little bastards.

Besides, being bacteria wouldn't be a guarantee that salt water would stop it. There's a class of microorganisms called archaebacteria, and these are the bacteria you find living in underwater sulfur vents. Worst case scenario, the zombie infection agent adapts at a such a rapid speed that it permeates the ocean as well.

[SWATJester_os]

Zombie destroyers: vote for your favorite WFAZTF leader in the OTF thread "Who would win rd. 4"!!!! SCAV IS THE SECRET LEADER OF THE ZOMBIE HORDES!!! VOTE FOR ME TO DESTROY HIM!!!

[Degree:N]

For zombie invasion my loadout would be:
- teeth;
- fingernails;
- unquenchable hunger for juicy human brain meats.


Or, if I wasn't a zombie, I could probably get my hands on garden implements such as a mattock, or maybe tie a sword to the handle/pole of a pool net. I would then get to a friends house who has rifles, food, sisters etc.


Zombie destroyers: vote for your favorite WFAZTF leader in the OTF thread "Who would win rd. 4"!!!! SCAV IS THE SECRET LEADER OF THE ZOMBIE HORDES!!! VOTE FOR ME TO DESTROY HIM!!!Voted. (For SWAT).

...Damnit, I should've asked for a bribe, or at least a custom title...

[bloopgun]

My mosin nagant, a baseball bat, indiana public works truck w/ snowplow. Food and warm clothing and water and fire starting kit. Then I'd hit up the Flint Indiana gunshop for many more guns including a grizzly .50 and about 1000 rounds of ammo they got for sale. then off to a fairly remote area to hide.

[Krispy Joe]

I included women....it's the most important thing.


Yeah man, gotta rebuild the human species, ya know? If the zombies ever do rise and we all flee to Arizona to roll with the CavArms crew, I'll take care of the womenz. I got a whole stable of hoes in Pheonix (It's a long story, actually) I could wrangle us, assuming they aren't already dead/zombified, of course. They are my age, and this might be troublesome for some of the older members of our AZF, but remember: When the zombies overthrew society, they also overthrew the laws. Who gives a shit about Age of Consent in the post-apoctolyptic undead world? ;)

[Lord Kelvin]

I think you're all forgetting the don't-leave-without-him companion :): Roger.

[SWATJester_os]

Yeah man, gotta rebuild the human species, ya know? If the zombies ever do rise and we all flee to Arizona to roll with the CavArms crew, I'll take care of the womenz. I got a whole stable of hoes in Pheonix (It's a long story, actually) I could wrangle us, assuming they aren't already dead/zombified, of course. They are my age, and this might be troublesome for some of the older members of our AZF, but remember: When the zombies overthrew society, they also overthrew the laws. Who gives a shit about Age of Consent in the post-apoctolyptic undead world? ;)

Whatever, in the post apocalyptic world I'm taking whatever hoes I can find.....My gun is bigger than them, and if society breaks down, rape isn't a crime when it's survival against a zombie horde..

[marty]

PRIMARY: M24 SWS - When annihilating zombies, it's best to do it as far from them as possible

SECONDARY: M249 with 200 round boxes - They might swarm on you... Rate of fire! I won't care if I overheat the barrel... If it comes to the point that I need to keep my weapon firing continuously, I'm already nearly dead.

TERTIARY: 2x Micro Uzis with 32 round mags - If it comes to this, I'm fucked, but I might as well take out as many as I can with me -- less for others to deal with

MELEE: Some sort of polearm 1.5x as tall as I am - Must keep them as far from me as possible!

VEHICLE: Hadaken's biodiesel truck - Biodiesel, come on... The Earth has gone through enough with all the zombies, why make it worse? Just kidding... It's a fuel source that we might still be able to make in the post-zombie world. Plus, the truck has a lot of room to store lots of ammo and equipment. I'm not actually suggesting the stealing of Hadaken's truck, just having vehicles similar to his.

EQUIPMENT: Small, transportable biodiesel processors for the trucks are a must. So is a larger one for each of the bases. A moonshine distilleries are also essential -- for fuel and "fuel", of course. Reloading tools are a given -- if there is no way to reload, you might as well just throw yourself to the zombie horde. Diesel generators, metal and wood lathes, milling machines, welders and such would be important too.

ORGANIZATION: Everyone, under my leadership, will be split up into outposts of 50 - 200 humans each. Each outpost will be self-sustaining for food, fuel, and ammunition. For procreation reasons, at least 50% of an outpost should be female. Ideally, there will be ten females to one male and a vigorous repopulation program will commence.

Everyone will be responsible for defending the outpost, but only men are allowed to conduct screening missions against zombie incursion to outpost territory. Women will be so valuable that one cannot be risked to be lost. They will not be told this to keep the traditional heirarchy in place.

Missions outside of outposts shall be conducted with 4-man teams. All shall carry the weapon loadout indicated above, and they will each be given a biodiesel truck. Standard operating procedure is to engage at 600 meters with 2 snipers while the other two sweep 360 degrees with their machineguns.

This is the Oregon re-humanization plan, because I can't make it to Arizona with the rest of you.

[Mafia Leader]

For your safety, gentlemen, I have constructed a small datasheet for you to keep with you, in case of zombie invasion. It gives general information. Let it be discussed here, and corrections/updated shall be made as appropriate.

http://www.m00farm.com/mafi/zombies.htm

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My anti-zombie loadout:
Well, technically speaking, I can only use what there is where I am, right? Well I'm limited to a 21ft/lbs .22 air rifle, a 6ft/lbs .177 CO2 air pistol, my knife, and of course, my 14" McCulloch chainsaw, as depicted below.
http://www.m00farm.com/mafi/zombload.jpg

I intend to jack a car, any car, to drive around in until I run out of fuel, whereby I'll jack another car until that runs out of fuel, and so-on. Luckily, there are three separate gun stores in my hometown, all containing shotguns and ammo, so my first stop will be at all three of those. My next step will be to get into contact with Wallrod, I can't defend against the entire of England alone, so I'll need a gunner for every car we jack, and somebody to take over driving when I fall asleep, and me for him, etc.
Once we have driven England and gathered all the weaponary we can carry (which will include but is not limited to chainsaws, functional swords, shotguns, rifles, huge knives and gas canisters (grenades)), we shall pick up a bigrig, and load it with food and our weaponary, and we shall search for survivors willing to pick up a gun, take commands from Wallrod and I, and never question our ideals. Anybody who does will be shot and used for food. The final step is to jack an aircraft, and have the combined effort of mine and Wallrod's flying skills (and if we manage to pick up a pilot on our journeys, him too) to get across the Atlantic to Arizona, to stage a resistance against the zombies, with you guys.

Once I get to the U.S., I'd have to say, my loadout would change dramatically.
Primary: Dual Beretta M92FS
Secondary: USAS/Jackhammer
Tertiary: SVD Dragunov
Melee: Baseball bat + big knife

Vehicle: Military Hummer with the doors welded shut and the only entrance being the gunner position's roof hole. Any fuel can be picked up at remaining gas stations.

[SWATJester_os]

I have that same knife....got it for 2 dollars at a fleamarket. It's actually served me really well, wish I knew where it was.

[Mafia Leader]

I have a selection of knives. Just chose that one because it looks coolest. I'd actually be using my bigger one.

[kreket]

I included women....it's the most important thing.

I'm getting a very 28 days later vibe here.



Anyone know the english term for this fishing equipment? It's one of the more efficient ways to catch fish without using a net. These two pieces belong together.

http://tildremsfiskeutstyr.demostore.no/stores/Tildrems_Fiskeutstyr//images/prodimages/393409-279897.jpg

http://www.sportogfiske.no/stores/Sportogfiske//images/prodimages/370158-458719.jpg

And I'd use them for survival outdoors during the zombie plague.

[SWATJester_os]

Well the bottom piece are fly lures for fly fishing. The top piece looks like a funnel-box type fish trap.

[rusty]

since i have no guns :( i wud go round to my m8s house who has 4 clay pidgeon shotguns (no idea wat make) and we wud make a break for either the us base at filingdales or RAF linton-on-ouse, preferably the us base because they hav abrams tanks and it is very remote, i wud then pick up a m24 sniper rifle for long range ownage, a m16a2 with underslung m203 and 4x optical, a .50 desert eagle and a stardard issue RAF survival knife which has lots of gadgets, including a spoon, which could come in handy for something. we wud stay up there in the dales because there is lots of rivers and sheep for food and water and it is easily defensible once u get organised.
As for increasing our numbers, '1337' squads of 5 people will go into the nearby citys and rescue as many uninfected survivors as possible, making young women a priority followed by children who can be trained from a young age to shoot zombie :)

[bloopgun]

Hmm... don't think you'll find a desert eagle in a U.S. military arsenal. Besides which finding .50 AE ammo in England would be next to impossible anyway, one would think. Some decent chainmail might come in handy though, mainly for arm protection/shoulder protection from those nasty bites.

[kreket]

Swat: It's definately not a funnel fish trap from that google search I ran. It's the piece of wood that functions as a combined floating and steering device: the flys are connected to it before you "linetrawl" it in the water from the shore. It's a "surfaceline" with multiple flys after it if that makes any sense. You choose direction by where and how hard you pull the line.

A few minutes with this little decimator of the fishkin is roughly equal to one hour of using a rod. Best part of it is that just about anyone could have invented the concept from scratch given access to what a bait shop should have.

[Feanaro]

If I were alone, my primary would be ma Norinco SKS for all purpose Zombie blastin'. The 7.62x39 round allows me to carry plenty of ammo whilst keeping recoil to a minimum. The SKS might be more reliable than an AK, is lighter, better balanced, and (except for Kreb's stuff and VEPRs) is usually more accurate. My pistol would be either a Taurus 85 snub in .38 Special(if the zombies attacked right now) or a Smith and Wesson 28(4 inch barrel, of course) in .357 Magnum(if they attack in a month or two).

If I had friends with guns(Friends? Check. Guns? Check. Friends with guns/friends who can shoot? Drat.), I'll pack my CETME(Sometimes known as "Gungnir"). The rifle and ammo are quite heavy but she is accurate, reliable, and packs a punch. For zombie headshots, it might be a waste of ammo. But even if the world is under attack by zombies, you would still have to worry about people. For special purpose work, a 1948 Remington 11 in 20 gauge. Same pistol.

Need a melee weapon. I have a wall hanger sword but I wouldn't trust it past two zombies. I have a camping hatchet though. Perfect for splitting zed melons.

My vehicle? Toyota Tundra(4 seater) with off-road package. Then the usual surival stuff, medical supplies, tools, and food. They go in the back of the truck.

[SWATJester_os]

Swat: It's definately not a funnel fish trap from that google search I ran. It's the piece of wood that functions as a combined floating and steering device: the flys are connected to it before you "linetrawl" it in the water from the shore. It's a "surfaceline" with multiple flys after it if that makes any sense. You choose direction by where and how hard you pull the line.

A few minutes with this little decimator of the fishkin is roughly equal to one hour of using a rod. Best part of it is that just about anyone could have invented the concept from scratch given access to what a bait shop should have.

Man, fuck that, that sounds like a lot of work. I catch fish just fine with a fly rod.

[Stig]

A good number of us are in the military, so if you're ever in a situation where your subordinates are zombies...
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=humandefensecorps6p16hg5gn.jpg

[Skyler]

Somewhere along the way my airsoft loadout and anti-zombie loadout merged...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/Skyler8158/antizombie.jpg
Remington 870
S&W M-19
fire

[kreket]

Man, fuck that, that sounds like a lot of work. I catch fish just fine with a fly rod.

It's a little work making, unwinding and winding the thing. The dragging and pulling is no less of an effort than using a rod and more fun. Kinda like flying a drake, but on water and with little fishes getting hooked.

Might want to use small flys to attract the smaller fishes. A big fish wouldn't make a mess out of it as I can see, but you could have more fun in time spent with lots of small ones than with one big.


Now I'll leave the thread for the weapon fetishists.

[ShatXIII]

http://www.m00farm.com/mafi/zombies.htmGood stuff, but I think you forgot HL2-type 'fast zombies', which are presumably what a headcrab zombie becomes if you dont kill it within a couple days/weeks/months or so...

As for my anti-zombie loadout...I've got three, sorta...

1. Current status

Weapons:
-1" socket wrench
-Hockey Stick
-varous tools, intended for auto repair
That wrench would make a good weapon in a pinch, acutally. About the size of a baseball bat, but a good deal heavier.

Vehicles:
-'78 Lincoln Continental Mark V (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/Shatara/pictars/lincoln.jpg)
-'89 Mercury Cougar
-'76 Honda CB400-Four Supersport (w00t!)
The Lincoln's kinda a weird compromise, with the fuel efficiency of a truck, and the funcionality of a car. It does have a bit of horsepower though, and could be used for towing...whatever would need towing. The bike is in peices, but could be ridable in a matter of hours.

Other:
-US Army issue BDU's, woodland (4 sets)
-Civilian rucksack w/Camelbak bladder
-Military poncho w/liner
-Various canned goods
-Several flashlights, inc. MagLites and a lightsaber toy
-1 small ammo can (sans ammo, unfortunately)

2. Forseeable future

Weapons:
-20" AR-15 of some kind
-SKS or copy
-Handgun, probably .45 1911 pattern

Vehicles:
-Jeep or light truck

Other:
-LBE of some type

All that I'm planning on getting at some point, zombie apocolypse or not.

3. Dont I wish

Weapons:
-H&K G-3 SG/1
-Custom .45 AR15 SMG
-SST-870
-.45 STI Eagle 6.0

Vehicles:
-USS Little Rock (CLG-4)

As for tactics...

Rural areas arent far from the city, so heading out may be a good idea, and there'd be deer and such to hunt as well. Another option would be to head out onto Lake Eire, there's a bunch of small boats in the marina that could be easily suitable for short term transport, as well as a few dinner cruise boats, a rusting-out cruise ship, a decomissioned light (missile) cruiser, and a decomissioned destroyer, of course the larger ships would need work to be considered sea- (or even lake-) -worthy.

[Mafia Leader]

Good stuff, but I think you forgot HL2-type 'fast zombies', which are presumably what a headcrab zombie becomes if you dont kill it within a couple days/weeks/months or so...
Constructed pre-HL2. I'll make a writeup for HL2 additions once I get my rig back, to examine them further.

[ShatXIII]

Alrighty then, look forward to the update.

Before I forget (again), is military-type armor even worth its weight? I wouldn't think protecting the torso would do much good, and the arms, shoulders, neck, and legs would be what you're worried about...

[Mafia Leader]

Alrighty then, look forward to the update.

Before I forget (again), is military-type armor even worth its weight? I wouldn't think protecting the torso would do much good, and the arms, shoulders, neck, and legs would be what you're worried about...
It's not just against zombies that you have to protect yourself. There are going to be elitist groups of crazies who think they're going to be the only ones to survive. As a result, you need to be able to withstand their bullshit shooting when they see your group, and accuse you of being zombies.

[General Bordinko]

Regional Commander Virginia Anti Zombie Task Force
Headquarters: Yorktown, Virginia

This very long post will outline my and friends plans in case of an outbreak.
Operation: Pale Horse

Timeframe: Confirmed Outbreak Day 0 - +7 (Infection)

I've found that out of all the planning that this phase will be the most crucial in completion. Because there will be thousands of non believers of that the zombie plague is upon us and will try to resist/try to involve the authorities.

Example: An idiot New York Tourist sees myself and a group of people loading into cars carrying weapons in public and will call the police. Which could result in incarceration which must be avoided.

Granted this phase can happen much faster if the outbreak was to happen with "Rage" type zombies but with all the scientific evidence and just using plain old common sense I feel that the zombies will be the slow lumbering remaro type.

Load Out:
.45 1911 x 7 magazines
Boots
Cargo Jeans
Loose Fitting Polo/short sleeved dress shirt (depending on time of year)

Reasons: The Operator must be able to blend and look like a civilian at this time while still being able to defend himself from infectious threats. The .45 is my own personal preference. It is accurate, powerful, reliable and very rugged. Add to the fact that almost every Wal-Mart in America carries .45 ACP if one were to plan carefully they would be able to never run out of ammo, theoretically. I also have the ability to carry this sidearm at a condition 1 (IE: Also known as "cocked and locked," means a round is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked, and the manual thumb safety on the side of the frame is applied.) in my Blackhawk CQC holster.

The Plan:
Centrally to this stage of the plan is to round up family members and very close friends and arm them. Once they are assembled they should be split into three teams of three or four. Alpha, Bravo and Charlie. Each of these teams have there own responsibility to obtain items, that will be needed, as discreetly as possible.
Alpha will be in charge of obtaining any military items, ammo, firearms, gear, and radios. Bravo will be in charge of food stuff, bottled water, and kitchenware (can openers silverware). Charlie will be in charge of obtaining transportation, specifically dual role extended cap pickup's.
In this phase time is of the essence and money is not an object, but survival is. Each team is responsible for there items but the other two teams will still pick up items just incase one of the teams is lost or rendered ineffective. Each team will then setup within five miles of each other at a predestined cp. In this capacity each team will be based at a site that located in a rural area that is close to water within a team member's home area. These actions will ensure a stock to last more than two to three weeks and to supplement the current 72 hour emergency loads.

Action:
Basing my plan on the Tidewater area of Virginia here is what will happen during Outbreak

Based out of Williamsburg
http://www.virginia.org/images/TGVAHR.gif

I will send alpha team to obtain both .45 and 9mm sidearm. 12 Gauge shotguns and .223/5.56 long arms, specifically the colt/armalite series that use the STANAG. This is a result of the sheer amount of military in the area that in the proceeding weeks there will be a stockpile of magazines, weapons and ammo for these weapons. Add to the fact that of these arms they are considered the easiest to use and maintain.

Bravo will be sent to, you guessed it, Wal-Mart. Thankfully a few years back Wal-Mart built the second largest Wal-Mart distribution facility in the world in northern Williamsburg. This site will be used at a later date if it is not compromised.

Charlie will be dispatched to the Chevy and Ford dealerships to purchase/acquire: Explorer Sport Track (Recon/Assault) F-150 Super Cab XL (Assault/Equipment transport) Suburban (Heavy Assault/Troop Transport) Express 3500HD Passenger Van (Troop Transport/Equipment) they will also be tasked to obtain gasoline for the ensuing week.

There will be Two CP's set up one located in northwest Williamsburg and the other based in southeast Yorktown. Both within one mile of VDOT stations. Each CP is a team member’s home and is secluded enough for limited operations, defense, and near water for an extreme event escape.

The VDOT Stations are a large portion to the proceeding weeks operation. Each facility has a mechanic shop, underground water and diesel/gasoline tanks, heavy and light trucks and 200+ acres of land surrounded by fenced razor wire with one entrance. Also at these facilities are used to store the Virginia State Police armored trucks.

NOTE: This plan is extremely flexible if for instance we have no heads up before they hit myself and my roomies can sustain ourselves for 1 to 2 weeks with food and 3 days worth of ammo (IE on foot in constant contact)

Summary: The first week is used to gather family/trusted friends, supplies and hunker down while civilization comes to a grinding halt.


NEXT: Confirmed Outbreak Day +7 - +21 (Outbreak)

[kreket]

Most of you have probably seen this, but there is an OTF sticky on a browser based zombie game. Just posting here if there is a chance to recruit more people.

www.urbandead.com

Do not barricade buildings above "very strong"

[GrosPoisson]

Most of you have probably seen this, but there is an OTF sticky on a browser based zombie game. Just posting here if there is a chance to recruit more people.

www.urbandead.com

Do not barricade buildings above "very strong"

We should form a shadow group inside the WFAZTF that dispenses unchecked vigilante justice on people who barricade too heavily. One fire axe hit per zombified victim who didn't have Free Running should do.

I'm looking at you, Matt.

[Matt]

My main anti-zombie weapon is my LC Smith side by side.
Single trigger for two barrels makes it ideal for blowing zombies heads clean off. The 12GA caliber makes the ammunition very easy to find. The famliy has kept it well oiled and it's actions are very smooth making reloading very quickly for a side by side.
Here's the pics ofd my shotgun arsenal. The LC Smith is the gun on the bottom in the first picture and on the right in the second picture.
The long blucky gun is my 10GA idealy I'd use that but it's unoperational ATM.

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/2743/antizombie16oh.jpg

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/4796/antizombie27mm.jpg

Also for my plan if a zombie brake out happend here in Dacula I'd drive my Blazer (If I had any prior warning I'd get a large front bumper welded to the frame) to the local gun store and hook up with the locals. I'm not shure of a refuge around here but the Mall of Georgia would be my first choice but it may be too far away (about 10mi from my house).
Me in zombie hunting mode:
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/9272/carmyspace0re.jpg

[Mr. Fiend]

Those are some beautiful shotguns, Matt.

What's wrong with the 10GA?

[Sibby]

Weapons
Kalashnikov 7.62x39 AK (Or some derivative) - My logic here is that the AK is a very sturdy, reliable, and strong weapon. Not exactly pinpoint accurate, but I want a weapon I can trust. Also, the ammunition to go along with it (7.62x39mm Soviet) is pretty damn common. I know a whole lot of people who own SKS rifles or Kalashnikov derivatives, and 7.62x39 ammo is common and cheap worldwide.
AR-15 .223 Semi-Automatic Rifle (Or, once again, some derivative) - This is if I want something rather accurate. The reason I would aim for an AR-15 model of some kind, rather than something else, is simply an issue of logistics. During a zombie invasion, I can imagine the police and military forces pulling out every weapon they have. Therefore, .223 ammunition and M16 magazines would be fairly common.
12-Gauge Pump Action Shotgun - The reason I'm not specific here is because I'm not too picky. A Remington M870, Winchester M100, or Mossberg 500 series shotgun would be nice, but a zombie invasion is not a particularlly good time to be picky. I would pick up whatever I came by and just worry about shotgun shells.
Colt M1911 .45 ACP - This gun has been around for almost 100 years, and is still one of the most popular weapons around. You say the word "Colt" or ".45" and people automatically think of this gem of a handgun. It's got some awesome stopping power, reliable, and the magazine capacity is pretty reasonable, especially if you get a hold of some of the double-stacked 14 rounders. I'll take a piss on a 9mm, give me my .45 anyday.
USMC KA-BAR Knife - Speaks for itself. Doesn't need to reload, multi-purpose, and badass looking to have on your belt. No range unless you throw it, though.
Vehicles
Vehicles... Not my expertise, but my buddy is a car nut. (And I'm the gun nut. :D ) I just would want something fairly large and fast enough to outrun a zombie from the Dawn of the Dead remake.
Crew
Pfft, no easier question in the world. I'd grab my best buddy (We intuitive of each other's actions, it's almost creepy) and some of my mates from my JROTC platoon. (3rd Platoon, 3rd Squad, AKA "Violence." That tells you a lot about our disposition. :cool: ) All of these nuts would be fully armed and in full gear within a half hour, I assure you.
Plan of Action
Most people would immediatly say, "Bunker down, barricade a defensible location and hold position." I say nay. Defenses always fall, always. Stay mobile, stay hostile. Stop at the larger fortified positions to lend a hand, get supplies, perhaps pick up more people. If we HAD to stay somewhere and fortify, I'd personally try to go somewhere large and rural with lots of fields, or a military base and join up with the military personel.

[IchWarriorMkII]

MATTHEW! GET THAT SLIP ON RECOIL PAD OFF THAT SHOTGUN RIGHT NOW YOUNG MAN!

Please? For the children ?

[Sibby]

MATTHEW! GET THAT SLIP ON RECOIL PAD OFF THAT SHOTGUN RIGHT NOW YOUNG MAN!

Please? For the children ?
Do I know you? :confused: It's rather frightening that you know my name...or were you not even talking to me? >_>;;

[GrosPoisson]

And the e-stalkery commences...

Nah, Ich was talking about Matt, the guy who posted above you. In the pictures, you can see a leather sleeve looking thing attached to the butt of one of the shotguns.

[Sibby]

Ahh, whoops. :o I didn't notice it, it blended in pretty well with the weapon at a passing glance. And I didn't notice the guy's name either. >_> Oh well, I'll pay attention next time. *sigh* And here I was hoping I had a stalker.

[marty]

I'll just have bare teeth and brass knuckles.

I'm of Filipino blood, so that means I am immune to zombies of any form. (But you should stay away from me because I'm still a carrier)

Bring it on, bitches.

[Vertigoomg]

Anti-zombie weapon: Ruger MkIII. 22LR rounds have enough punch to make it into the skull... but not enough to punch out. Rounds bouncing around brain = liquid brain. Yoohoo.

Anti-elitist weapon: Probably a rifle of common calibre...

dunno about the rest!

[General Bordinko]

I'll just have bare teeth and brass knuckles.

I'm of Filipino blood, so that means I am immune to zombies of any form. (But you should stay away from me because I'm still a carrier)

Bring it on, bitches.

No that just means that at any given time that you will own a .45 1911, have a unknown hatred for cats and want to kill every japanese zombie that you meet with your bare hands.

[stukov]

For me personally, if it was possible, I would opt for more medieval weaponry/defense. Such as full platemail, a giant metal shield, big one handed sword. Can zombies really infect you if you are covered in metal? I think not.

With this in mind, from there you can use any type of longer range weapon you need, knowing you cant be hurt at point blank range, I would actually perfer something like a cannon...i mean you could kill alot of zombies with one cannon ball (non-explosive), you might even be able to use modern metals for the cannon ball so that you could re-use it.

With a metal armor setup, I would then use a large variety of explosives, even improvised ones. Just toss em, duck behind shield and watch the zombies cry.

Full plate mail (chain and plate)
Riot helmet (with that big clear plastic shield)
6-7 foot tall tower shield (metal alloy)
one handed sword
spear
big hammer
explosives (pipe bombs, hand grenades)
.308 hunting rifle, any kind.

[Mystrick]

The best vehicle would have to be this:

http://www.englishforbusiness.nl/broekhuizen/images/flailtank.jpg

I believe that was already discussed.

[Uncle Jimbo]

Weaponry
The a knife and the usual Farmer Brown bolt action rifle/shotgun or if some soldiers get pwnt a Steyr AUG or C9 LSW and a P226

Transport
Either one of these, good mobility, easy to get fuel for
http://www.army.mil.nz/images/uploadedfiles/images/u1700imogclay.jpg
http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~amoore/horse.jpg

Location
See that pissy little island? That's where I'm hiding. Defense, food storage and water all in one.
http://3dnworld.com/users/76/images/Taupo.jpg

[Rustvaar]

Being in Scotland restrics me from the use of high power firearms. That being said, I'm from Scotland - No cissy zombie is getting in my way, despite the fact I'm not heading anywhere.

First things first, The kitchen knife supply, pick up the block and duct tape it to my leg, easy access and safe storage so that if I fall down I don't make a mess. I live 3 floors up in a fairly built up area on the opposite side of the largest city in the country, it's busy but it's not as busy as the city centre, my plan would be to barricade the door, there's a security door and the back door is fairly solid, then there's a storm door on the 4 houses below me, followed by their internal doors - So I'm not first on the menu, not by a long shot with around 300 living in the surrounding area.

I'd stock up on rope and hang out the living room window with some 7kg weights tied to them, I'd then drop them on the heads of zombies, in an attempt to thin their numbers. There's also an air rifle kicking around somewhere, it might not do too much damage but who knows - I might be up against the shittest zombies since Alan Partridge went to the Megabowl.

Once the zombies began to get a bit angry and perhaps brought the door in I'd make a snappy exit by climbing out the window, along the ledge and into my neighbours house - Any zombies that attempt to follow would probably fall and get impaled on a fence [Which I'll have built beforehand, don't worry] if any of them did manage to get close enough to me I'd just club their face with the butt of the gun so that they fell. I'd operate on this basis for as long as possible before I ran out of houses, at which point I'd go up a level and continue, then to the roof. When the zombies finally made it to the roof I'd have to reckon they'd be so thinly spread I could just wait above the loft hatch and push them onto the pavement about 60 feet below.

For food and water I'd mainly rob the houses I passed through, anyone offering to help me would be met with a swift 'No' and told to use their kitchen knives or whatever else they had kicking around.

I think I could manage this for a good few hours before getting excessively tired, by which point Most of the zombies from the area would be dead. Especially if people on the opposite side of the street had the same idea. If not I'd probably shout at them telling them to have the same idea.

I'm almost positive we've got the basic saws and screwdrivers and such - I'd probably use them too.

In short, I'm going for a close range, methodic approach in which the zombies mainly kill themselves and I just play it safe by climbing into people's houses.

[pk!]

^^That's pretty much my plan - get on to a roof with a lot of camping gear, and wait it out.

[Cloneboy]

Let's see. If the zombie horde were to rear its ugly head now, I'd be plenty taken care of, being in the middle of Iraq. Plenty of highly trained and motivated Marines, sailors, soldiers and even a few airmen running around witih all sorts of weapons.

If the shit were to hit the fan back in the rear, I think the situation would be similiar; it would just take a little longer to get my weapon from the armory and have ammo distributed.

If I were at home, though, I'd have to freeze some paintballs and warm up my batting arm. I could get to Big 5 or something to get a BB/pellet gun and a decent knife before going over to the next city where I'm pretty sure there's a gun store.

[marty]

No that just means that at any given time that you will own a .45 1911, have a unknown hatred for cats and want to kill every japanese zombie that you meet with your bare hands.
There are lot of zombies in Filipino folklore ;). No one ever gets infected. But I have a feeling if a zombie touches me, then you later get near me, I might infect you :(

[versailles]

i live in a 3 story house, and the top floor offers a perfect bottleneck defense. if things get really heated, i could destory the stairway, as zombies can't climb. furthermore, the house is up a mile long hill, so i doubt any zombies will walk their way up. also and thankfully, the town i live in has a relatively small population, and there is a reservoir full of trout and bass nearby. my parents own a .45 glock .30 compact and a smith and wesson .32, though we don't have enough ammo. i also have a titanium lacrosse stick and 2 baseball bats, one wooden and one metal. now that i think about it, i'll probably wear my lacrosse arm and shoulder pads if i have to go outside.

when i turn 21 i plan on buying either a steyr m-a1 or some cz pistol, and since i live in california and i can't buy a decent assault rifle, i might buy an m4 lower and build the m4 (nifty little loophole that most people don't know about). costs about 800 dollars in all, and i get to have free dropping mags or whatever you call it, instead of a fixed magazine that you have to feed internally, round by round. or i guess i could get that keltec rifle or the m14. whatever, hopefully the outbreak won't happen for at least 6 more years, as i'm not really prepared.

my friend lives a 10 minute walk away from my house, and we have both agreed that if the shit hits the fan, that my house would be perfect to fortify. my friend is of particular importance for he owns an m4 and a shotgun.

i plan on growing vegetables and going to the reservoir to fish. there are also lots of deer around my little town, so i guess i could consume them as well.

however, i also live in san francisco when i'm in college, which is a really densely populated city. if i don't die within the initial stages of the outbreak, i plan to drive or walk to the bart station (the bay area's version of the subway) and trek through the tunnels until i reach my hometown. if it's too "hot" outside, i might wait a few weeks, as i have lots of canned food because i'm a lazy college kid, then see if i can drive/take the tunnels home. i thought of holding up on alcatraz island, but it's such an obvious location that thousands will flock there. san francisco is a horrible city to be in a zombie scenario, my only option is to quickly GTFO back to my humble little town called orinda.

you people outside of california have it so easy with all your easy access to assault rifles and 30 round magazines.

[Magus Zeal]

you people outside of california have it so easy with all your easy access to assault rifles and 30 round magazines.
Be damned if it isn't the truth. I live in SoCal and trying to get a good firearm outside of a pistol or shotgun (and even then, there's restrictions) is near impossible. However, I'd have it really good should the zombies attack! I live about 5mi outside the largest Marine Corps base in the world. Camp Pendleton. While getting into the base might be an issue, once I can reach the armory I can be set. It might not have some of my "wishful" equipment, but I could probably get a M16 or M4 with a sidearm. Well, here's the list:

Primary Weapon
G36 in Semi/2rd Burst/Auto form, preferably with the second red dot scope attached. Attached would be an AG36 and a taclight. Put it on burst, use the scope(s) to aim for the head, and put 'em down. And use the grenade launcher for large groups. My next choice after that would probably be a Tavor TAR-21. I've seen what that baby can do, nasty.
Secondary (Backup) Weapon
Multitude of choices here. Firstly I'd rather use a MP7 PDW or a MP5K A4, since they're small and have automatic. If I wanted a shotgun instead, I'd use a Benelli M3 Super 90 or a Mossberg 500, probably using solid slugs instead of shot for extra oomph and accuracy over range. Weight permitting, I wouldn't also mind carrying a M72 LAW or M136 AT4, one shot of course, for when I need to clear a section of building, rubble, or take out a large mob.
Sidearm
H&K Mk.23 SOCOM. No question. Either that or a USP Tactical. Can't beat .45 ACP when it comes to pistol rounds.
Transport
A Humvee, preferably armored and with the option of a MG mount on top. While running over the undead is fun, it slows you down.
Action Plan
Gear up, sit tight, move to a more secure location and wait for extraction. If extraction fails to show up within a week (of course, using methods for signalling, flares, fire, what have you), move out to another location. I view the country as a bad idea, as if you get stranded out there it's a long way to go before you'll find supplies, and if you're on an island and the zombies somehow mutate into creatures that can traverse the water (Resident Evil, anyone?) you're pretty much screwed.

[Stalin]

I live about 5mi outside the largest Marine Corps base in the world. Camp Pendleton. While getting into the base might be an issue, once I can reach the armory I can be set.



Marine Armorers wear M9s with live rounds. And you have to deal with all of the other Marines also.

[Magus Zeal]

That is, of course, assuming that they're not being chomped, having been chomped, or in need of another body helping them. When the undead surround you, anyone who can help becomes quite an asset.

[Space Marine]

I think I'd feel pretty safe in Space Marine Tactical Dreadnought armour:
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5482/btbs4ri.jpg
Know what I mean? Power sword as main choice, cause I can cut stuff up like zombies or wreckage, you just never know. I could always use a Storm Bolter or something, but then it's just overkill.

My vehicule of choice would have to be a Land Raider Crusader, as this variant is adapted for soft targets. Although the Multi-Melta is supposedly anti-vehicular I can't see that as a problem, I mean what's wrong with melting zombies? Surely it's a good thing, right?
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5206/lrc4hg.jpg

As for my "crew", there's nothing better than having a Space Marine chapter lend a hand. Can't go wrong with the Adeptus Astartes, they're pretty much used to those "against all the odds" situations:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/401/16big9mk.th.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16big9mk.jpg)
And they've got some neat fire support:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/627/08big0xo.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08big0xo.jpg)

Can't see a better choice for burning the mutant in His name.

[Cowboy From Hell]

I would be packing my custom SKS Siminov that has the following...

Composite Stock
30 Round Magazines
Sight Rail
30MM Red Dot Scope
Buttplate Shoulder Rest
Leather Sling

I would also carry my Semi-Auto shotgun that has some upgrades...

Sling w/ Ammo Holder, 6 Rounds
Stock Ammo Holder, 5 Rounds
Composite Stock

And I would find a Glock pistol because they have a 20 round cap which would kick ass IF the 1 hit in the head kills theory is in play. Otherwise I'd look for a .45

[Feanaro]

SKS... 30 Round Magazines

Do you get a lot of practice with failures-to-feed with those? I've never seen anything but an SKS-D take detachable magazines with any consistency.

[Col. Anonymous]

ok what i dont get is y so many of u people want to run and hide in the mountains or somewhere, im with the people who want to fight!!
my anti-zombie load-out
my trusty crowbar, and a really big knife at first, ill later get some swords.
next is all the things that will be vital to our mission: food, water, clothes, ect.
and thats it until i raid the nearest military base, ill grab all i can and throw it into an abrams, my vehicle of choice. hmmmm ill probably grab a m-249 and a boat load of ammo, some bdu's, and a tactical shotgun with a few boxes of ammo. then drive to the nearest city and kill anything stupid enough to point a weapon of any kind in my direction, as well as anything that's not alive.

i think that about covers it, since my plan is extremely flexible.

[pk!]

If I'm allowed to raid military bases, I'll have a Merkarva or six, and a few Harriers. And the thing they use to drive Apollo rockets around. I'll set up a base and then use B-52's to bomb an island clean, then we move in there.

Per squad:2 Milan ATGW and full support load, 2 Bren guns, 2 stens, everyone carries a Webley and choice of P-90, G-11, or (for the chaplain) a Super Soaker loaded with holy water.

Maybe I could use neutron bombs - do you think errbs work on zombies?

[Col. Anonymous]

i forgot to add take a girl age between 16-24 for repopulating the earth, incase some of u peoples plans dont work ill come through for ya:p . and all of u forget takin ur dream equipment, cuz yall aint gonna get it mwuahahahahahaa

[Col. Anonymous]

no pk i dont think neutron bombs would work cuz aint zombies dead in the first place? and neutron bombs kill living creatures right.

[GrosPoisson]

ok what i dont get is y so many of u people want to run and hide in the mountains or somewhere, im with the people who want to fight!!

Chairborne Commando away!!!! What makes you think they would take you?

ill grab all i can and throw it into an abrams, my vehicle of choice

Uh huh. So what makes you think you can get past the military base gates where the guys with scary automatic weapons are stationed, and drive out of the base without them firing an AT-4 into the back of it? Let's not even mention the fact that you'd have a hell of time driving a vehicle that requires four people to operate (commander, driver, gunner, and loader). We actually have some guys on this board who have actually manned M1 Abrams tanks before, and they had to go through weeks of training in the Army before they were considered qualified to operate the things. How much training have you had again?

How about fuel? You do know that the Abrams uses a special kind of fuel to power the turbine engine, and it's not exactly the easiest thing to acquire, yes?

[pk!]

I reckon I could get a Harrier about 3 feet off the ground, while people stood about shouting advice with words like "Don't" and "Idiot"

[Col. Anonymous]

no military training what so ever. first all military or almost all will be off fighting zombies, second ill kill the rest as i go in by means of my friends and i. ill be the gunner, everybody else do whatever, idk what they do but i will be the gunner. we have long range rifles so the rest of the personal stationed there shoudn't be a problem, cuz we'll be usin stealth and those rifles. 3: there will be 4 of us, all die hard gamers which keep in shape and own weapons and can use them well. so we got it all figured out:D

top that:p

[Col. Anonymous]

im with pk and his krazy mad flyin skillz!

[Towelie]

all die hard gamers which keep in shape and own weapons and can use them well. so we got it all figured out:D

top that:p

Gamers are the last type of people you want in a fighting force.

Most are ingrained with misinformation regarding real life weapons and tactics.

I'm sure your "long range rifles" have optics that can zero themselves, and always hit right dead center in the crosshair, with no regards to windage, elevation, bullet drop rates, etc. just like in video games.

Not to mention you are condoning killing american soldiers just so you can "be a gunner" in a vehicle you and your friends wont have any idea how to operate.

Zombie fighting is serious business.

[GrosPoisson]

first all military or almost all will be off fighting zombies

See, I was hoping you would catch on to that. If the military is off fighting the zombies, guess what they'll probably take with them? Oh yeah, tanks.

second ill kill the rest as i go in by means of my friends and i.

Despite this being a hypothetical situation, I still find the very idea of killing the very people who are going to be protecting you in said hypothetical zombie outbreak disgusting and morally bankrupt. Is human life that cheap that you'd kill someone who likely grew up as you did, like any other kid growing up in the US, just so you can live out your Battlefield 2 fantasy?

ill be the gunner, everybody else do whatever, idk what they do but i will be the gunner.

Okay, obviously you suffer from some huge mental disconnect where reality and fantasy don't exist in nice little boxes like they do for the rest of us. You'll be the gunner and everyone else will do whatever? Main battle tanks are a lot more complex than you make them out to be, and I highly doubt you could learn as you went when you've got a pissed off military force with Humvee-mounted TOW missiles gunning for you. Not to mention a stolen tank makes a big fat target for attack helicopters and jets.

there will be 4 of us, all die hard gamers which keep in shape and own weapons and can use them well. so we got it all figured out:D

top that:p

Okay. The biggest fight you and your pissant friends have probably gotten in was probably a shoving match on the playground. Maybe, just maybe, you even jumped someone after school. Wow. Real hardcore. In the meantime, I suppose you'll leave all your family and friends behind who aren't super duper awesomecore mall ninjas to be zombie fodder. Really outstanding there, champ.

[Col. Anonymous]

:mad: :( hey man we were in juvillinul or what ever i cant spell the thing for aggravated assault, carrying consealed weapons, firing a weapon with intention to kill, attempted murder(it was defence), and assaulting basically an entire police force in the small town we lived in. lets see we were 13 and we stayed in there until we were 18 then we stayed in prison for for 3 more years.

top that:p

[pk!]

I haven't been caught yet.... :D

[Scraps]

:mad: :( hey man we were in juvillinul or what ever i cant spell the thing for aggravated assault, carrying consealed weapons, firing a weapon with intention to kill, attempted murder(it was defence), and assaulting basically an entire police force in the small town we lived in. lets see we were 13 and we stayed in there until we were 18 then we stayed in prison for for 3 more years.

top that:p

gtfo


top that:p


idiota

[GrosPoisson]

:mad: :( hey man we were in juvillinul or what ever i cant spell the thing for aggravated assault, carrying consealed weapons, firing a weapon with intention to kill, attempted murder(it was defence), and assaulting basically an entire police force in the small town we lived in. lets see we were 13 and we stayed in there until we were 18 then we stayed in prison for for 3 more years.

top that:p

Come on, my home's near Los Angeles. Maybe that makes you "hard" where you live, but out here it's common because the situation is messed up.

Taking potshots at small town cops with a Saturday night special is one thing, but attempting to get the jump on military personnel with M16s and M4s who are on alert status because of an emergency is another thing entirely. All they'd need to do is get a fix on your position and open up with a MK-19 or an M2, and it's over.

[Scraps]

Come on, my home's near Los Angeles. Maybe that makes you "hard" where you live, but out here it's common because the situation is messed up.

Taking potshots at small town cops with a Saturday night special is one thing, but attempting to get the jump on military personnel with M16s and M4s who are on alert status because of an emergency is another thing entirely. All they'd need to do is get a fix on your position and open up with a MK-19 or an M2, and it's over.

dont forget the mortars and those WP rounds:D

[GrosPoisson]

dont forget the mortars and those WP rounds:D

Eh, I figured MK-19s and M2s were better examples as they'd be easier to bring to bear, being able to be mounted on Humvees and all. But yes, mortars and WP rounds would ruin anyone's day if they were caught out in the open.

[Sibby]

Random topic change.
Just yesterday I purchased the Zombie Survival Guide. Just this morning I began reading it.
I'm already almost done.

[Col. Anonymous]

whatever, all who think im stupid cant do jack, as for pk and otakuu guys r kool

[Sibby]

whatever, all who think im stupid cant do jack, as for pk and otakuu guys r kool
Well, I'm inclined to say your plan actually fucking sucks and is filled with more holes than swiss cheese. :D But that's okay, because you're going to be faaaar far away from me when the shit hits the fan.

[Capt. Planet]

Is it just me or does anyone else thing "Col. Anonymous" is someone's Troll account?


I mean, c'mon.

[Scraps]

Is it just me or does anyone else thing "Col. Anonymous" is someone's Troll account?


I mean, c'mon.

nah hes just some idiot cs player i bet

[GrosPoisson]

whatever, all who think im stupid cant do jack, as for pk and otakuu guys r kool

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/GrosPoisson/rolleyes.gif

[MadJimmy]

Question do you think this Zombie invasion will get to Australia?
If so.
My loadout

Primary:
Mosin Nagat/M82A1( for some stopping power) if i couldnt get my hands on thease i would go for somthing with alot of rounds and is light M63

Secondary:M37, Scorpion,XM16E1 (costimized with burst fire)

Backup: M1911A1,SAA,Dersert Eagle, Raging Bull

Melee:
Katana or somthing like crocodile dundee's knife:D

[MadJimmy]

Question do you think this Zombie invasion will get to Australia?
If so.
My loadout

Primary:
Mosin Nagat/M82A1( for some stopping power) if i couldnt get my hands on thease i would go for somthing with alot of rounds and is light M63

Secondary:M37, Scorpion,XM16E1 (costimized with burst fire)

Backup: M1911A1,SAA,Dersert Eagle, Raging Bull

Melee:
Katana or somthing like crocodile dundee's knife:D

[Cloneboy]

Good luck getting a light machine gun that numbers in the dozens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoner_M63
Why not just get an M16A2/A4 for the burst fire?
What's an M37?

As an update to my list, I'd probably get an AAV for my means of transport, y'know, ideally. Otherwise I'd have to settle for a HMMWV, or some kind of civilian transport.

[Sibby]

The Ithaca M37 is an older model 12-gauge pump-action shotgun, which was around as early as World War 2, but remains in production. The older models had a "slam fire" feature, when after chambering the first round, the user could simply hold down the trigger and continue pumping it, but they have since removed the feature because it posed a safety hazard. So now it's just another American pump-action shotty. It's had a slight resurgance of fame, due to it's appearance in the game Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, and given the fact MadJimmy includes many other weapons from the game (Mosin-Nagant, XM16E1, M63, VZ-61 Skorpion, Colt Single-Action Army), I think the game has influenced his decisions a little bit, although I dare you to try to find large amounts of 7.62x54mm, .45 Long Colt, or 9x18mm Makarov during the midst of a zombie apocalypse, enough to keep your weapons fed for extended periods of time.

[Mystrick]

I'd just get my .22 semi and .22 bolt action, and my breach loading shotgun, get in my attack and camp on my roof. I believe my area is secluded enough to not me mass-infiltrated from zombies.

[GrosPoisson]

M82A1( for some stopping power)

Yes, stopping power for your ability to move. Unloaded weight is quoted at 12.9 kg, about 28.4 lbs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M82A1#Technical_Description)

Don't forget in a zombie scenario you still have to carry around food, water, clothing, and other survival equipment in addition to your weapons and ammo.

[Airborne506]

I dont know if this has been posted but I picked this up a few weeks ago: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400049628/sr=8-1/qid=1154921467/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-7564615-2811056?ie=UTF8

Awesome book.

[Sibby]

Yeah, I own the book. Finished it in under day. Fucking brilliant, every home should have at least a single copy.

[Sturmwehr]

Question do you think this Zombie invasion will get to Australia?
If so.
My loadout

Primary:
Mosin Nagat/M82A1( for some stopping power) if i couldnt get my hands on thease i would go for somthing with alot of rounds and is light M63

Secondary:M37, Scorpion,XM16E1 (costimized with burst fire)

Backup: M1911A1,SAA,Dersert Eagle, Raging Bull

Melee:
Katana or somthing like crocodile dundee's knife:D

Could you make it a little less obvious that you've been playing Metal Gear Solid 3 too much?

[Space Marine]

Could you make it a little less obvious that you've been playing Metal Gear Solid 3 too much?

Could you?

Takes one to know one, eh? :p

[marty]

You know, instead of relying on my inherent immunity from Zombification to help in my selfish survival, I could use it to aid humanity's fight against the peril.

1) As you all set off to fight the Zombies in the front lines, I will watch the rear as our last line of defense.

2) While I am in the rear, I shall help ensure future human survival by impregnating all the womenz to guarantee that the next generation will inherit my anti-Zombie genes

3) Once we defeat the Zombie Horde, I will deeply mourn all your deaths.

[SWATJester_os]

news flash: Filipinos always die first.

[marty]

news flash: Filipinos always die first.

Is that because you'll shoot me before setting out on the zombie fighting? :bang: :bang: :bang: :( :bang: :bang: :bang:

[Cloneboy]

news flash: Filipinos always die first.
:orly:

On second thought, in the event of a zombie apocalypse, I'll probably be in the rear making sure everyone can still get their e-mail.

[Mystrick]

I'll be in the rear too.





































You know, fucking the zombies into submission.

[MadJimmy]

no one answered my first question will this Zombie outbeak get to Australia because everything else like sarze,Bird flu,and those other deadly things never even get hear:army:

[Sibby]

Zombies don't need to breathe. Therefore, zombies (carriers of the virus, obviously) can remain underwater for indefinite periods of time. That means that a zombie can, potentially, fall or wander into the ocean and get carried into the current, and potentially reach Australian shores.

[GrosPoisson]

That doesn't sound too bad. I'm sure the Australian military and police would just need to post observers/sentries along the beaches and act as a delaying element while radioing back to their higher-ups to prepare for the flood of undead.

[Sibby]

That doesn't sound too bad. I'm sure the Australian military and police would just need to post observers/sentries along the beaches and act as a delaying element while radioing back to their higher-ups to prepare for the flood of undead.
Well, though being on an island is certainly an advantage, that's a lot easier said than done. Consider the fact that that is a lot of land to cover...

[Noirceur]

Zombies don't need to breathe. Therefore, zombies (carriers of the virus, obviously) can remain underwater for indefinite periods of time. That means that a zombie can, potentially, fall or wander into the ocean and get carried into the current, and potentially reach Australian shores.
I'm pretty sure zombies need to breathe. I mean, they're severely mutated humans, but they use the same organ structure, which is reliant on oxygen.

[Sibby]

I'm pretty sure zombies need to breathe. I mean, they're severely mutated humans, but they use the same organ structure, which is reliant on oxygen.
Read the zombie survival guide, it offers a full explaination of the zombie anatomy. :p

[Noirceur]

Read the zombie survival guide, it offers a full explaination of the zombie anatomy. :p
Ah, perhaps I need to brush up on my knowledge of biology relating to non-existent organisms.

[Sibby]

Hell, if there's an official thread stickied in the Military/Weapons section dedicated to them, they're worth studying. :p
And the undead menace is a REAL threat, damn it! :mad:

[SWATJester_os]

Zombies can move underwater. But they'd be susceptible to other things in there: for instance, they'd be eaten by sharks. Or a strong current could push them along a non-intended path, possibly even break their limbs. Further, since zombies cannot swim, just walk along the bottom, they'd be subjected to huge pressures.

[DunNa]

Well couldn't they make zombie sharks that way?

[Noirceur]

Well couldn't they make zombie sharks that way?
AFAIK the virus is human only. I also don't think zombie sharks would be too much of a threat.

[Noirceur]

Zombies can move underwater. But they'd be susceptible to other things in there: for instance, they'd be eaten by sharks. Or a strong current could push them along a non-intended path, possibly even break their limbs. Further, since zombies cannot swim, just walk along the bottom, they'd be subjected to huge pressures.
Haha, awesome. I didn't think of the increased vulnerability to shark attacks thing.
GD I want to play brainbread now.

[marty]

:orly:

On second thought, in the event of a zombie apocalypse, I'll probably be in the rear making sure everyone can still get their e-mail.

Silly, Filipinos die first because all the other humans are going to kill us. Don't you know about any Filipino legends? We're immune to the Zombie Virus.

You should really read up on Filipino monsters. Aka Aswangs, Manananggals, Kapres, Tikbalangs, Mantahungals, Nunos, Kataws, Bungisngis', Bakonawas, Tahamaling, Adas, Batibats, Sigbins, Busos, Pugots, etc.

Where American tabloids are all about secret alien baby hybrids and UFO sightings, Filipino tabloids are filled with child-eating man-animals and zombies.

[Cloneboy]

I'm only half Filipino. Would that mean I'd become a half zombie?

Filipino culture is very alien to me. I didn't reject it while growing up or anything, it just wasn't there, for the most part.

[marty]

You're not missing that much, I was raised Filipino but rejected it

Also:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Harbor/1320/imcaswng.jpg
ASWANG

[Walnut]

pronounced "ass-wang"?

[marty]

Yes

Actually, it's the in-between to "Ass-Wang" and "Ass-Wong"

[Cloneboy]

WING WONG WANG.

Also, some kind of vampire creature detaching its head and dragging its internal organs around makes absolutely no sense. How the fuck would something like that come about? Just in case, I'm going to have to keep buckets of broken glass handy.

[marty]

If you read the wikipedia entries, I think it only lists the visayan and luzon ones :o, I think the Mindanao, Palawan, and Mindoro ones might be infinitely worse, but I don't really know for sure.

[MadJimmy]

My first post was dream weapondry this is my siris kit

Pramiry:
Crossbow,Longbow,.22,.303 under&over shotty, side by side,sawnoff shotty

Secondary:
magnum,one set of throwing knives,colt

transport:
f250,toyota landcrousier Deream: vecial monster truck with snow tryers(which have spikes)

[Cloneboy]

Monster truck with spikes. Will it also have big scary teeth painted on the sides, or maybe some wicked sweet flames?

Granted, we are all sitting around thinking about how we'd deal with the remote possibility (read: fantasy) of a zombie apocalypse, but suspension of disbelief plays an important role in enjoyable fantasies. Example: throwing knives. Probably not the greatest of weapons, but they can be very effective if used properly, I suppose. Show me that you can reliably destroy a zombie brain with a thrown knife, and I'll accept your choice.

Also, your obvious lack of knowledge of firearms leads me to believe that you wouldn't even be able to properly use a colt (what kind of Colt firearm, or do you mean some kind of horse?) even if you had one.

Zombie hunting is serious business, pal. ;)

[MadJimmy]

yer sorry about that I couldent be bothered going out to the shead and trying to find it but now I have it's a Colt Python

[Noirceur]

Monster truck with spikes. Will it also have big scary teeth painted on the sides, or maybe some wicked sweet flames?

Granted, we are all sitting around thinking about how we'd deal with the remote possibility (read: fantasy) of a zombie apocalypse, but suspension of disbelief plays an important role in enjoyable fantasies. Example: throwing knives. Probably not the greatest of weapons, but they can be very effective if used properly, I suppose. Show me that you can reliably destroy a zombie brain with a thrown knife, and I'll accept your choice.

Also, your obvious lack of knowledge of firearms leads me to believe that you wouldn't even be able to properly use a colt (what kind of Colt firearm, or do you mean some kind of horse?) even if you had one.

Zombie hunting is serious business, pal. ;)
I would carry more ammo as opposed to throwing knives.
I assume by colt he meant a 1911.

[GrosPoisson]

yer sorry about that I couldent be bothered going out to the shead and trying to find it but now I have it's a Colt Python

I hope you've got some speedloaders or moon clips for it then. Could be a better choice than carrying throwing knives.

[Noirceur]

I hope you've got some speedloaders or moon clips for it then. Could be a better choice than carrying throwing knives.
Be a little more specific. "Colt" can refer to anything colt produces.

[Sibby]

Be a little more specific. "Colt" can refer to anything colt produces.
yer sorry about that I couldent be bothered going out to the shead and trying to find it but now I have it's a Colt Python
That specific enough? ;)

[Elwood]

Have we ever decided how susceptable zombies are to weather? Would they freeze stiff in a cold climate? Would wind-blown sand wear them away to nothing? Would a moist climate increase the rate of deacy?

[Noirceur]

That specific enough? ;)
You are an even bigger smartass than I am.
I was obviously referring to him saying it the first time:p

[Sibby]

You are an even bigger smartass than I am.
I was obviously referring to him saying it the first time:p
Hey, I try. :p But yeah, you're right. There are many guns that can be refered to as a "Colt", so being as specific as possible is a good idea.

[SWATJester_os]

Have we ever decided how susceptable zombies are to weather? Would they freeze stiff in a cold climate? Would wind-blown sand wear them away to nothing? Would a moist climate increase the rate of deacy?

In someways moreso than us and some ways less. A moist climate, with lots of bugs would decay them rapidly. A frozen climate would make them more fragile (bones) but their decay rate would drop off rapidly and they could sustain unlife for long times. Sand abrasion would tear them up.

[marty]

Were the rumors of gulf war 1 zombies being spotted adn fought in OIF true?

[SWATJester_os]

I can't comment. No, I'm entirely serious.

[MadJimmy]

Do the Zombies need normal body functions to surive eg.blood,brain,heart,lungs,liver ect?

do they need water to survive as well?
if so then the safest place in Australia would be Alice Springs right in the middel of nowhere :army: :bang:

[SWATJester_os]

No they don't need water. Nor do they need oxygen, or proper body functions. Only important thing is the brain/spinal cord.

[Noirceur]

No they don't need water. Nor do they need oxygen, or proper body functions. Only important thing is the brain/spinal cord.
Does that zombie survival guide actually go into detail about their body structure?

[FlamingPotato]

Yes it does, it also goes into detail about the effect of the climate on them, i wish i had my copy back, I lent it to one of my friends.

[Mystrick]

We were watching body farm in Human Anatomy and I thought if they became zombies.. This brought me to my point, since zombies have rotting flesh (from what I am assuming) wouldn't maggots and flies swarm them and eat their flesh (irony) and basically immoblize them? And if this is the case a zombie threat would only last 3-6 weeks

[Noirceur]

We were watching body farm in Human Anatomy and I thought if they became zombies.. This brought me to my point, since zombies have rotting flesh (from what I am assuming) wouldn't maggots and flies swarm them and eat their flesh (irony) and basically immoblize them? And if this is the case a zombie threat would only last 3-6 weeks
3-6 weeks is long enough.

[Sibby]

According to the Zombie Survival Guide (which, of course, is always correct :p ), animals have a natural aversion to the undead. This probably has something to do with the fact that consuming the diseased flesh would probably kill them... (though not infect them, luckily, no infected flies or mosquitos flying around)
Accoruding to the ZSG, anyways.

[redgun]

how do zombies react to fire and explosions? I guess they'd burn good.

making explosives, pipe bombs and other pyro stuff seems to be easier than getting hold of a m82 or a monster truck.

in urban areas I'd go for a medium-sized super market with parking lot all around it:

lots of food supply, only one or two entrances, no ground-level windows, flat roof and most probably many burnable chemicals around.
in some countries/places you might even find some ammo there.

hardwarestore or gas station would be similar.

concerning weapons I'd use anything easy accessible but high magazine capacity is surely a nice thing to have imho.

[Dwin]

Zombie Survival Guide??? Link?

[Sibby]

The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection From The Living Dead, written by Max Brooks. (http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/zombiesurvivalguide/)
Organize before they rise! :bang:

[Magus Zeal]

Flame weapons would work well against zombies. The brain is one of the easiest organs to defeat through heat, and if you propelled a blast of burning gasoline (napalm is better) at it's head...well, it'll cook the organ in no time, and there goes the zombie.

[Dwin]

The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection From The Living Dead, written by Max Brooks. (http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/zombiesurvivalguide/)
Organize before they rise! :bang:

lol...that's some crazy stuff...

[SWATJester_os]

Flame weapons would work well against zombies. The brain is one of the easiest organs to defeat through heat, and if you propelled a blast of burning gasoline (napalm is better) at it's head...well, it'll cook the organ in no time, and there goes the zombie.

Except the zombie will now be burning and can burn you if it gets close enough.

[redgun]

Flame weapons would work well against zombies. The brain is one of the easiest organs to defeat through heat, and if you propelled a blast of burning gasoline (napalm is better) at it's head...well, it'll cook the organ in no time, and there goes the zombie.

that's the answer I've needed.
anyway I think that napalm is quite difficult to produce.
at least the classical one.

[Sibby]

You can make napalm out of common household materials...

[redgun]

napalm B i guess. But the older, more tricky one?

[Sibby]

"Older, more tricky one"? Napalm is simply jellied gasoline. Gasoline + styrofoam = Napalm.

[redgun]

yeah. that's napalm B: gasoline, benzene, polystyrene. will work, but can be put out with water, iirc.

the older mixtures used aluminium soaps, magnesium palmitates and other more complicated things as thickener.
some of them even had their own "oxygen-supply" so you couldn't put them out at all, iirc.

white phosphorus can be used to make it selfigniting on contact with unbound oxygen.

[Noirceur]

yeah. that's napalm B: gasoline, benzene, polystyrene. will work, but can be put out with water, iirc.

the older mixtures used aluminium soaps, magnesium palmitates and other more complicated things as thickener.
some of them even had their own "oxygen-supply" so you couldn't put them out at all, iirc.

white phosphorus can be used to make it selfigniting on contact with unbound oxygen.
The zombies aren't going to be carrying around buckets of water.

[Sibby]

Napalm-B can burn for up to ten minutes and burns at almost twenty-two hundred degress fahrenheit. It's composition makes it incredibly difficult to put it out with water, mainly due to the fact that it is jellied gasoline that is sticking to the burning object, rather than just a regular blaze. Additionaly, napalm also has the tendency to "de-oxygenate" all the availabe air in the immediate vicinity. The "older" forms of napalm, using soaps, aluminum, and magnesium were (as far as I can gather) no better than modern napalm-B. In fact, it appears that napalm-B typically A.) Burns longer, B.) Sticks better, C.) Is safer to store and contain over long periods of time, and D.) Generally more effective and destructive. Given these, and the fact that napalm-B (or at least something close to it) is more easily made, I don't see why you would even consider attempting to use the old methods.
It should also be noted that I'm taking this far too seriously for my own personal health, and I also happen to be a wikipedia / google monkey. >_>

[redgun]

even if you know how to make napalm B, I'd be carefull as hell because benzene is not the stuff you want to be in contact with.

the advantages of the older oil-based ones seems to be:
- controllable grade of jellification (napalm B has a given relation of ingredients, and therefore given consistency)
- the possibility to apply oxygen agents. I honestly don't know if that can be done with the B-stuff too. Any chemists around here? :doc:
- more fireballs, according to wiki so don't quote me on that (more fun to watch)

but you're absolutely right, in case of zombie outbreak napalm B will be the only choice.

[Magus Zeal]

Except the zombie will now be burning and can burn you if it gets close enough.
That's true. But according to Otaku (whom I'm assuming is right, not to say that he's wrong), if it burns at 2200F, then it will reach temperatures of greater than 500F within the skull within 1-2 seconds, instantly turning the brain into mush, and destroying any sort of organism within the skull, no matter how small. This is, of course, assuming that we're using the Zombie Survival Guide, which focuses on A) a viral outbreak and B) destruction of the head is the 100% guaranteed way to eliminate the undead (which is fairly consistent across all iterations of the tale). Hell, you could just throw the unlit substance down/at zombies and use it to slow their progress, with a flaming floor that they burn under as they try to walk to you.

[Noirceur]

Does the survival guide say anything about how smart they are? I assume that becoming entirely instinctual beings, they would be unable to sense a trap or things of that sort.

[Magus Zeal]

The guide mentions intelligence as being nothing but the desire to feed. All of their goals in unlife is just to locate living (human) creatures and feed. Some movies portray them as semi-intelligent and capable of learning (see George Romeo's Land of the Dead). Traps would do nothing but slow them down (short of killing them), so setting up electric wire or pitfall traps (a la Land of the Dead, again) would work. But you can only hide for so long...

[Noirceur]

The guide mentions intelligence as being nothing but the desire to feed. All of their goals in unlife is just to locate living (human) creatures and feed. Some movies portray them as semi-intelligent and capable of learning (see George Romeo's Land of the Dead). Traps would do nothing but slow them down (short of killing them), so setting up electric wire or pitfall traps (a la Land of the Dead, again) would work. But you can only hide for so long...
Well you can set up small camps surrounded by electric fence, with enough battery/food/facilities for years. It would be rather creepy just sitting around while zombies are being toasted all around you though.

[Skyler]

Well you can set up small camps surrounded by electric fence, with enough battery/food/facilities for years. It would be rather creepy just sitting around while zombies are being toasted all around you though.

If Ian Malcolm taught us anything, it's that chaos will take over and "nature" will find a way. I'd rather not have zombies clawing at the fences all around me.

[Noirceur]

Well if there is a zombie attack, I imagine the zombies will be upon us soon, as in weeks at the most. This is far too short to set up anything semi-permanent and electric fence as I understand it is not too time-consuming and the zombie threat would be over soon. However, depending on the volume of zombies...the fences may become clogged and no longer work at some point.

[Magus Zeal]

If Ian Malcolm taught us anything, it's that chaos will take over and "nature" will find a way. I'd rather not have zombies clawing at the fences all around me.

Agreed. While electric fences *do* keep the zombies out, they keep you right where you are. If you have Steam, download the short film Zombie Movie. It's about 300MB, and shows what happens to 3 guys who are trapped in their car with zombies surrounding them. It's not at all pleasant (rather violent and disturbing, too). The safest thing to do when dealing with ze undead is to keep moving.

[FlamingPotato]

If there is a long term solution needed, tall walls are beneficial, as it would take prohibitive amounts of time for the zombies to crawl up over the top.

[Cloneboy]

If defense is the name of the game, you're still going to have to get proactive and go on patrols to thin the herd. Even something as minor as sweeps right outside the walls to clear up the piles of corpses would work.

[Tuulos]

You should check the homesite of The Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency http://www.fvza.org/ There's even interactive cases where you can practise.

[pk!]

napalm B i guess. But the older, more tricky one?

If you're not worried about breaching the Geneva convention, add some sulphur to the mix - also works with molotovs. Source: 1941 Home Guard Manual.

[Skyler]

Pretty sure zombies aren't covered by the Hague and Geneva conventions...

[Elwood]

First of all, SWAT's right. The only thing worse than the walking undead is the walking undead covered with burning napalm and still trying to eat you.



And who gives a fuck if your napalm is exactly the mixture used according to U.S. document 7.2557342 section A appendix II, if it burns hot and sticks and I have the shit to make it at hand, it'll probably do the trick.

[Col. Psycho]

First of all, SWAT's right. The only thing worse than the walking undead is the walking undead covered with burning napalm and still trying to eat you.



And who gives a fuck if your napalm is exactly the mixture used according to U.S. document 7.2557342 section A appendix II, if it burns hot and sticks and I have the shit to make it at hand, it'll probably do the trick.


hell yeah, i agree fully with this statement, if you can make it easily and it works, go for it. Remember kids, KISS.

Keep It Simple, Stupid. dont over compensate for simple problems. if it aint broke, dont fix it, especially during a zombie invasion. :P

[redgun]

If you're not worried about breaching the Geneva convention, add some sulphur to the mix - also works with molotovs. Source: 1941 Home Guard Manual.

in case of zombie outbreak, I would be short of geneva conventions anyway

I'd be molotoving the stuff in any case. magnesium powder or even fine iron powder would also add increased pyro effects.

nearly anything can be used against zombies.

[Elwood]

I doubt gasoline burns hot enough to ignite magnesium or iron powders, I used to burn magnesium ribbon in chem lab all the damn time, and it took a shitload of heat to get that stuff going.

[MattW]

Vehicle:
'97 dodge ram 2500 12 valve turbo diesel quad cab 4x4 manual 5 speed
extra fuel/air filters, motor oil, 2 extra spare tires on rims
one 50 gallon fuel tank in the bed filled with diesel #1
various automotive tools
weapons:
2 police batons
1 sykes-fairborne knife
bolt-action pelt gun
Plan:
I would try and secure some real firearms since my family doesn't own any weapons. Also I would try and gather up extra food, water, and diesel fuel. Then I would get a PTO powered generator so I could have electricity since the house’s propane generator is only good for 7 days with the 500 gallons in the storage tank.
Next I would try and turn my house into stronghold like blocking the paths up to the house and erecting improvised dirt walls(don’t worry I have a tractor) to make barrier between the house and zombies, looters, etc.
Subsequently I would hold out till I found out what was really going on and try to stay at my house until help arrived. If shit really hit the fan I Would move westward to the Great Plains and try to built a compound and hold out till help arrives or I am over ran by zombies.

Question:
does anybody know what is most produced caliber of pistol and rifle ammo in america?

[Noirceur]

Vehicle:
'97 dodge ram 2500 12 valve turbo diesel quad cab 4x4 manual 5 speed
extra fuel/air filters, motor oil, 2 extra spare tires on rims
one 50 gallon fuel tank in the bed filled with diesel #1
various automotive tools
weapons:
2 police batons
1 sykes-fairborne knife
bolt-action pelt gun
Plan:
I would try and secure some real firearms since my family doesn't own any weapons. Also I would try and gather up extra food, water, and diesel fuel. Then I would get a PTO powered generator so I could have electricity since the house’s propane generator is only good for 7 days with the 500 gallons in the storage tank.
Next I would try and turn my house into stronghold like blocking the paths up to the house and erecting improvised dirt walls(don’t worry I have a tractor) to make barrier between the house and zombies, looters, etc.
Subsequently I would hold out till I found out what was really going on and try to stay at my house until help arrived. If shit really hit the fan I Would move westward to the Great Plains and try to built a compound and hold out till help arrives or I am over ran by zombies.

Question:
does anybody know what is most produced caliber of pistol and rifle ammo in america?
9x19mm and 5.56x45mm I imagine.

[SWATJester_os]

Question:
does anybody know what is most produced caliber of pistol and rifle ammo in america?

Probably .22 LR

[Noirceur]

Did he mean the most produced rifle caliber and the most produced pistol caliber, or the most produced caliber used in both rifles and pistols?

[Feanaro]

Did he mean the most produced rifle caliber and the most produced pistol caliber, or the most produced caliber used in both rifles and pistols?

In either case it would still be .22lr, I suspect.

[Noirceur]

Ah...yeah I guess. The cheaper ammo wins out I suppose.

[Elwood]

I wonder how effective .22LR would be against zombie skulls?



man, if anyone can suggest something that approximates a zombie skull, I will totally test the shit out of it.

[Cloneboy]

Human skulls.

[Noirceur]

I wonder how effective .22LR would be against zombie skulls?



man, if anyone can suggest something that approximates a zombie skull, I will totally test the shit out of it.
The skull structure would be that of any normal human. What would differ is how easily bullets rip through rotted flesh as opposed to healthy flesh.

[Pipes]

http://www.incredible.org.uk/images/sword-knight.jpg

[marty]

I hope that our leaders have a plan for a zombie outbreak

I hope that if they track down the outbreak early enough, they would be willing to nuke the orginating location multiple times for the greater good of mankind

[Noirceur]

I hope that our leaders have a plan for a zombie outbreak

I hope that if they track down the outbreak early enough, they would be willing to nuke the orginating location multiple times for the greater good of mankind
I seriously doubt they could find it early enough to nuke it. You have to be pretty sure before you start dropping nukes everywhere.

[Cloneboy]

What if the virus that causes zombification survives and mutates into some kind of super airborne special forces virus that instantly zombifies people?

OMIGOSH.

Also, think of the public outcry. Now, if the zombie outbreak were in full effect before nukes started getting tossed around, people might be more understanding, but if you vaporize a city because of a dozen or so zombies, you're going to stir up a shit storm.

[marty]

I'm forgetting the quote from John Adams about leaders having to make unpopular decisions

[MattW]

Did he mean the most produced rifle caliber and the most produced pistol caliber, or the most produced caliber used in both rifles and pistols?

I wanted to know the most produced rifle caliber and the most produced pistol caliber. sorry for the confusion.

[SWATJester_os]

Either way, I'm still going to guess that it's .22 LR.

[Sturmwehr]

I hope that our leaders have a plan for a zombie outbreak

I hope that if they track down the outbreak early enough, they would be willing to nuke the orginating location multiple times for the greater good of mankind

Unfortunately, marty, if the zombies function like the movies, the infection will be spread across half the nation before the people in D.C. knew what was definately happening (i.e. infected dead people coming back from the dead for brains instead of rioting/revolution).

DotD '04 running zombies long after death? Pray it doesn't happen lest our species be potentially wiped out.

[Sturmwehr]

Definately .22 LR

Fixed.

There's probably 10 rounds for each 9x19 out there. I have ~5000 rounds of .22LR myself.

[marty]

Heh, how many other rounds are most commonly sold by the brick?

[RUDERALIS]

I think need add "AS VAL" or "VSS VINTOREZ" it will be cool !

[GrosPoisson]

I'm not too excited about those seeing as I live in California, and the odds of me ever seeing one of those is slim to none.

[Noirceur]

I think need add "AS VAL" or "VSS VINTOREZ" it will be cool !
Bad...bad grammar overload - error, error!

[marty]

Bad...bad grammar overload - error, error!

... Too bad for you that you can't take back that post

[kreket]

The napalm idea kinda got me wondering on something. What weapon systems could the military safely use in an attempt to secure gas stations and other sorts of infrastructure and road systems?

[Sturmwehr]

The napalm idea kinda got me wondering on something. What weapon systems could the military safely use in an attempt to secure gas stations and other sorts of infrastructure and road systems?

Well, since the pumps would likely be kaput due to no electricity... practically anything that can't penetrate a foot or two of earth and gravel.

[Noirceur]

... Too bad for you that you can't take back that post
Too bad you can't die in a fire...ooo burnlololol;)

[SgtPnkks]

it's a kit

http://necropimp.home.insightbb.com/zombiekit.jpg

[Pork Fried Squirrel]

Just one of these (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0) would do nicely for medium-long and close ranges.

:menkey:

[pk!]

My arsenal is depleted now I've given away my fencing gear and bokkens, so I'm down to just

1 heavy drop-forged wrench
1 cricket bat
1 telecaster
Set of Sabatiers
Swiss Army Knife "cybertool" edition

First waypoint, Wickes. Second, the TA barracks on the corner. Third, Waitrose. Fourth, police evidence lockers. Fifth, collect remaining family. Finally, Dover Castle.

[SWATJester_os]

Swing the telecaster first.

[Nelsen]

Due to the fact that zombies ONLY die from the brain being destroyed, I'm going with a rather nice light setup. With a minimal amount of ammo needed. .22 LR and 9mm. Though .30-30 would be nice, .22LR is easier to come by.

Long Distance: "Old" Handmade .22LR rifle. Inherited it. It's from the early part of the 1900s, so it's unmarked company wise, at least that I can tell. Possibly custom built though it is completely registered with the ATF. Nice adjustable 3x-9x scope with Mil Dots. Gotta' have Mil Dots.

Shorter Distance: Lightweight .22LR Converted AC-556. Yes, I know why not stick with the .223? Because .22LR is easier... and I don't try and force smaller rounds into bigger chambers. 9x17 doesn't go into the 9x18. Just as the 9x18 doesn't go into the 9x19. And the 9x17 SURE doesn't go into the 9x19. Though maybe the 9x19 in the 9x17. If I don't like the person I hand the gun to. One less person sucking down my air.

Shotgun: Highly doubtful to be used but if needed a 20 gauge, since less recoil means easier time adjusting for multiple targets. And you always gotta' go full choke on the beast so you can get your distance out of it. Of course the shotgun would have to be a Remington 1100. Nice semi-auto and if I need more the 9 shots... what's the point of having the shotgun anyways... I'm going to get eaten.

Pistol: A 9mm Parabellum, since I'll be giving the zombies peace I find it fitting, either a Walther P99 or a Berreta 92. No Glock though, as I don't feel comfortable pulling the trigger of a firearm to disassemble one, even if it is clear.

Melee: Good 'ole fashioned WWI trench spikes. If it can punch through a pisspot AND the skull why not just the skull? If the zombie is that close I'm most likely dead anyways. Though my spear might do the trick too... it'd probably get stuck in the thrust. Therefore trench spike. Nice, clean, and quick.

Short hair, tight clothes. No I'm not talking emo or scene, I'm talking about not getting grabbed by rotting hands of the horrible undead.

Vehicle? Anything that runs... a Semi would be nice, though Military Spec vehicles would be best.

Place to hide out? A prison, military base, or some other place that is EASILY locked down. Screw police stations, screw schools... maybe a supermarket for a small outbreak... but otherwise a prison or a military base. Place where there are sturdy fences and easily enough room to grow a garden. Though I'll raid stores for seed and other things like that before hitting the road.

Other things such as a way to power the place that you hide out in such as a bike to generate power for cells or other things of that sort. Extra gas, siphon out of the cars stuck on that damn highway while making sure to eliminate any undead in the cars.

More as I think of it. It's late and I'm tired, yet I'm ever vigilant for the Zombie Uprising.

-E- I have changed my mind about the 9mm pistol. Instead go with a P22, it's .22LR so therefore you have plenty of ammo of good quality. Just needs to go into the skull... not out.

[SWATJester_os]

I'm firmly convinced that the chateau region of France has the potential to be nigh impenetrable. So many massive stone chateaus, surrounded by big open fields/gardens/farmland, with natural river defenses......epic win.

[Tuulos]

Mountain monasteries for the win, as seen in James Bond.

I just realised that simple reloading kit wouldn't be a bad idea.

[Nelsen]

See most people think a Supermarket would be a great place... but that's only for small outbreaks. Otherwise food starts spoiling. Then your stuck with the Raman in the instant food isle

[Elwood]

It'll keep you alive, man!

[Fenrir]

Why do people think MIL spec is the best shit to get? Lowest bidder people. Military gear is shitty. The trucks we drive are shitty.

That being said my two sig sauer p266's came in.

Im up to (2)Sig P226 .40
(1) Remington 870 with cool shit put on it
(1) Winchester model 94 with a 20 inch barrel 30-30, may buy a scope for it

[Nelsen]

MIL spec isn't the best, no, but it's the most reliable for price. Plus, if it's good enough for the Military, it's good enough for the average citizen that might be needing to go LONG treks and such in rather shitty terrain.

[SWATJester_os]

MIL-SPEC just means that it's good enough for the military's standards. But it doesn't mean it's the lowest bidder, and the lowest bidder doesn't mean bad or cheap.

[Fenrir]

Look at the uniforms the army gets issued. Half of mine are fucked up new out of the box, horrible stitching.

The average citizen will probably spend the extra dollar for something more comfortable and not so shitty.

Lowest bidder does mean bad and cheap in my opinion and many others.

The only thing you get issued that works like its supposed to is the sleeping system.

[Capt. Planet]

I love those. Too bad I don't have one right now.

[SWATJester_os]

Look at the uniforms the army gets issued. Half of mine are fucked up new out of the box, horrible stitching.

The average citizen will probably spend the extra dollar for something more comfortable and not so shitty.

Lowest bidder does mean bad and cheap in my opinion and many others.

The only thing you get issued that works like its supposed to is the sleeping system.

Uh. No. First of all, military contracts do not work based on the lowest bidder. They work based on a combination of price, production capability, and quality of craftsmanship.

Second, look at some "lowest bidder" military kit such as, oh, the poncho and poncho liner, the MICH helmet, your sleep system, Molle gear, interceptor vests, etc.

You can condemn uniforms all you want, but fact is not all uniforms are made from the same people, or in the same place. Some come from the defense manufacturing companies (of which there are multiple and of varying quality), some come from propper, or tru-spec, or other 3rd party manufacturers.

If you're getting horrible stitching out the box, complain that your supply sergeant is ate the fuck up. I've got 5 uniforms from supply at my home unit, and of those, the only rip was a crotch rip on one, that I accidentally hastened with my knife.

Everyone knows that BDU's rip at the crotch. All BDU's have a tendency to do that because it's one of the stress points. It doesn't mean that it came from the lowest bidder, or that it's crap.

[Fenrir]

If you're getting horrible stitching out the box, complain that your supply sergeant is ate the fuck up. I've got 5 uniforms from supply at my home unit, and of those, the only rip was a crotch rip on one, that I accidentally hastened with my knife.


I have ACU's. How would complaining to my supply sargent change things when its issued at RFI? That is run by civvies who also happen to pick your size for you.

I have never been in a unit that issues clothing from their own supply. Its either from CIF or RFI or you go buy it yourself from clothing and sales.

We get issued a poncho at CIF but never use it because we get issued gore tex stuff from RFI. Ive never gotten a poncho liner.

I used to work in supply BTW.

[SWATJester_os]

My unit issues replacement clothing out of supply. If your shit don't work, take it to supply and get new shit.

[Fenrir]

The only way to get it fixed would be to get the commander to get a memorandum. I doubt it would happen over something little like a uniform. Supply in my unit does not work like in yours. My unit is jacked up.

Most of my issued stuff is down range right now and our commander tried to get them to issue us a set of winter PT's and CFI told us we had to go buy it ourselves.

[Nelsen]

I don't know how we got on MIL Spec... cause all I mentioned were MIL dots. Which = AWSOME time with a scope. Since I know how to use them. :D