Don't know if this goes here

[FaKToR]

But a disagreement on irc has left me wondering what you guys think constitutes "gay". This comes over disagreement as to whether it's possible to be bi. Apparently if you have sex with both men and women you're still gay, that is more gay than straight.

I'll let scraps explain his "weight hypothesis."

[Teedy]

This won't get locked, as long as it doesn't get out of control quickly.

Personally, I think being bi means just that. I think it's mostly a state of confusion and unsurity as I don't see many people in the +30 age group that are bi.

[Scraps]

so by using scraps' logic, we can deduce that a bi man who sleeps with fat chicks and anorexic men would be straight.
yes.d:D

[FaKToR]

Personally, I think being bi means just that. I think it's mostly a state of confusion and unsurity as I don't see many people in the +30 age group that are bi.

Totally nonexistant?

[Teedy]

I didn't say nonexistant, there's a small number of almost anything in our world. I think for the majority thats what it is. Notice the lack of definitives in my post you semantical bitch.

[FaKToR]

I didn't say nonexistant, there's a small number of almost anything in our world. I think for the majority thats what it is. Notice the lack of definitives in my post you semantical bitch.

Well you didn't give any indication to what extent you thought that silly.

[Teedy]

Mostly implies what extent I meant. :P It means most, not all, but most.



What did you need a bloody percantage point?

[RoommateRiot]

While I'll agree that many bisexuals are only bisexual during high school, I wouldn't say that most are of that variety.

Also, to answer Faktor's question, I don't think that "gay" is a good adjective to describe a bisexual.

[DunNa]

What did you need a bloody percantage point?

Now that you mention it yes, rounded to the nearest hundreth of a percent please :)

[StandingCow]

Guys this is not the OTF, please stay on topic and leave stupid posts out. Thanks.

Thread cleaned out a bit.

[Noirceur]

Undoubtedly, there are a good number of young "bi" people who just don't know what they want. However, I know enough bi people in their twenties who are actually attracted to and have sex with both men and women on a regular basis. The term "bisexual" is more accurate than someone who changes from gay to straight more than ten times a year. Sexuality is unclear sometimes but it doesn't change at will or opportunity.

Now, to clarify, you can be bi and in a committed relationship, but it's easier to "prove" bisexuality with a promiscuous bi person.

[Captain Colon]

Guys this is not the OTF, please stay on topic and leave stupid posts out. Thanks.

Thread cleaned out a bit.
Way to clean out a bunch of ridiculous posts, half of which were made by the THREAD STARTER and could thus be assumed to be on topic :lincoln:

If you like to bang dudes and not chicks then you are probably gay.

[FaKToR]

If you like to bang dudes and not chicks then you are probably gay.

What about both?

[Captain Colon]

Then you are weird :lincoln:

Whatever you want to call it, bisexual, omnisexual, half-gay, whatever. Although most bi people I've known tend to lean more strongly to one side or another. A lot of them just seem to really like doin' it and don't care whether the other party has a wang or not.

[Placeb0]

i prefer to think of myself as uninhibited. i can find men sexually attractive but ultimately the idea of a same-sex relationship would not work for me.

[Teedy]

I look at it similiarly to placebo. I can look at a man, judge whether or not he is attractive, and yet know that I won't ever be in a relationship with a man.

[FaKToR]

A relationship is different from sex.

[Teedy]

I wouldn't ever be sexually involved with a man either. Had an offer last year in college, very good looking bi dude, and it's just not my thing. :p

[Noirceur]

A relationship is different from sex.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be in a sexless relationship for long.

[Placeb0]

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be in a sexless relationship for long.

i think he meant...relationshipless...sex

[Noirceur]

O, yeah, that, damn my catholic roots.

[FaKToR]

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be in a sexless relationship for long.

I was saying that not being in a relationship does not necessitate never having sex.

[Noirceur]

Well, it was pretty obvious to me that he meant he can appreciate attractiveness in guys but would never be in a relationship because he's not attracted to them. Last time I checked, your run-of-the-mill relationship usually starts with sexual attraction(or at least the admittance that this person is not ugly to you).

That being said, for discussion's sake it is good to make things like that clearer, which I guess is what your point was in the first place and I've been saying all this for no reason. Oh well.

[BlindSite]

I believe that Kinsey was right in that we're all a little bit gay or at least bi-curious. On a scale of where at one end we've got hetro 100% and homo at 100% and bi somewhere in the middle.

Some people the most rare are on either completely homosexual or completely heterosexual, therefore I think it's extremely rare for someone to be totally 50/50 bisexual, but not impossible.

[FaKToR]

Well, it was pretty obvious to me that he meant he can appreciate attractiveness in guys but would never be in a relationship because he's not attracted to them. Last time I checked, your run-of-the-mill relationship usually starts with sexual attraction(or at least the admittance that this person is not ugly to you).

That being said, for discussion's sake it is good to make things like that clearer, which I guess is what your point was in the first place and I've been saying all this for no reason. Oh well.

Look noir, just cause you bump nasties with someone doesn't mean you're in a relationship with them.

[Teedy]

No, but not everyone has the courage for a one night stand or even friends with benefits. Some people simple can't do those things and thusly don't FaKToR.

[Noirceur]

Look noir, just cause you bump nasties with someone doesn't mean you're in a relationship with them.
I know.

[RoommateRiot]

I don't think that being able to say "hey, that guy's pretty attractive" has anything to do with whether or not you're straight. I can say "well, that guy is ugly" and that's the same value judgment as "hey, that guy is good looking" but no one would think it made me the least bit gay.

Anyway, the way i look at it is that if you wouldn't have sex with a guy, you're not bi. I used to hear some dudes in high school say "I'm bisexual, but i'd never mess around with another guy.".

I think they just wanted to get with the bi ladies.

[FaKToR]

No, but not everyone has the courage for a one night stand or even friends with benefits. Some people simple can't do those things and thusly don't FaKToR.

I was just clarifying cause you didn't necessarily exclude that possibility with your statement leaving it ambiguous.

[Teedy]

You don't even know how to pronounce ambiguous. :o

[Noirceur]

Anyway, the way i look at it is that if you wouldn't have sex with a guy, you're not bi. I used to hear some dudes in high school say "I'm bisexual, but i'd never mess around with another guy.".
I'd love to hear the reasoning behind that o.O
I'm bisexual but I'm heterosexual?

[FaKToR]

You don't even know how to pronounce ambiguous. :o

am-big-u-us

[Gopats]

Anyway, the way i look at it is that if you wouldn't have sex with a guy, you're not bi. I used to hear some dudes in high school say "I'm bisexual, but i'd never mess around with another guy.".

I think they just wanted to get with the bi ladies.
Maybe they don't realize just because they can judge a guy and call him attractive, it doesn't make them bisexual

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On topic, I consider a guy gay if he would fool around with another guy, period. I know people that have sex with men and women, which makes it possible to be bi

[Noirceur]

So you don't believe that bisexuality exists?

I don't know how else to interpret that statement unless you think that gay means something other than homosexual, and that wouldn't make much sense as they're synonyms.

[Gopats]

I was saying what I believe constitutes homosexuality

I just edited my post and added my 2 cents about bisexuality to clear up any confusion

[Captain Colon]

Maybe he's just saying that even if you're bi, it's pretty fucking gay to fuck another dude.

If that's the case then WAY TO STATE THE OBVIOUS, GET A FUCKING NOSE JOB OWEN

[StandingCow]

But a disagreement on irc has left me wondering what you guys think constitutes "gay". This comes over disagreement as to whether it's possible to be bi. Apparently if you have sex with both men and women you're still gay, that is more gay than straight.

I'll let scraps explain his "weight hypothesis."

Gay = homosexual.
Bisexual = just that.
Straight = Heterosexual.

That is how I view them anyway.

[GoatChomper]

I once had a clinical psychologist tell me something interesting...that in his experience males who profess bisexuality are primarily homosexuals who occasionally indulge in women, while women who profess the same truly are equal-opportunity bedders.

[White Pony]

You can't forget pansexuals. They'll have sex with men, women, hermaphrodites, transgendered, pretty much everything.

[Captain Colon]

I've never seen a pansexual who wasn't just doing it to make some kind of annoying GLBT statement.

[White Pony]

The gay community has an obnoxious number of acronyms.

[Noirceur]

I once had a clinical psychologist tell me something interesting...that in his experience males who profess bisexuality are primarily homosexuals who occasionally indulge in women, while women who profess the same truly are equal-opportunity bedders.
It makes sense, generally someone is more interested in one sex than the other. There are probably few people who actually have equal interest in both genders. Women are more able to come out with these things because traditionally families don't really care what the daughters do sexually, they won't cotinue the name anyway(and the family probably wouldn't be too interested in a man that is willing to take the woman's name.)

[Captain Colon]

The gay community has an obnoxious number of acronyms.
The part I hate is it's the people who aren't actually gay who are the most vocal and obnoxious with them. My friend's sister is a "gender-neutral pansexual" or something and if you even let "oh man XXXXX thing is pretty gay" slip she will start giving you really dirty looks.

She bought her dad a book on learning to respect transgendered/gender-neutral people or something and highlighted key passages such as "transgendered people are not abnormal" and "it's okay to be gender-neutral," I think he died a little inside when he got it :D

[MeanPatrick]

You can't forget pansexuals. They'll have sex with men, women, hermaphrodites, transgendered, pretty much everything.

Communists?

[Teedy]

We meant everything that actually exists.

[Noirceur]

I don't see why pansexuals matter. I mean, everyone identifies more by one gender or another, so it still falls into normal categories of sexuality.

[White Pony]

Gender-neutral people like what Colon was talking about. They don't identify with either gender, or with both equally.

[Noirceur]

"The term pansexual generally is used for a person who does not classify their sexuality with a person's sex, but their gender. They believe that there is a set difference between sex and gender - gender being the socially constructed condition of being male or female, and sex being the biological condition of male or female."
I don't see much about sexual preferences in pansexuality, only a recognition that most of sexuality is determined by the social construct of gender and not the biological construct. It seems more that they can be attracted to anyone because they don't see sexuality as biological but psychological, and therefore doesn't really say anything about their preferences.

[FaKToR]

I once had a clinical psychologist tell me something interesting...that in his experience males who profess bisexuality are primarily homosexuals who occasionally indulge in women, while women who profess the same truly are equal-opportunity bedders.

I think a clear and precise definition of bisexuality would be good here.

[Noirceur]

Levels and variations are somewhat irrelevant, if you are attracted to both genders, you are bisexual.

[BlindSite]

I think a clear and precise definition of bisexuality would be good here.
Which brings me back the kinsey theory of having a scale.