I got gross language for this?!?!

[Daywalker]

"wow, that'd be funny to have a hold on your transcript because you never paid the fine for jerking in the shower."


and/or

"easy to clean up, excluding drain related issues"


What the hell? Seriously, this is not gross at all. This is only considered gross language if you've been locked in your house watching Seseme Street for your entire life, but come on. Any normal person would not consider this gross language. This is stupid.

[Scraps]

What the hell indeed.

[Wheat]

R3b31!!!!!11

[Prowl]

so you don't remember this?

"yea, your moms a freak. She always asks me to pull it out of whatever hole shes getting fucked in at the moment and blow it on her. After anal, I use my poopdrick as a brown marker on her back."

[proudinfidel117]

lol

[Daywalker]

well, now that you show it I do. I forgot about that, and since it was deleted without any sort of notification I didn't remember it being in that thread. As such, when I recieved the warning and looked in the thread for what I had posted and found only the two posts I posted. Which is why we should get a PM when something is deleted.

[MeanPatrick]

so you don't remember this?

What's the problem, officer?

[Prowl]

Well if someone would like to code that facility we will be sure to implement it.

[Discobird]

Or you could adopt my suggestions in this (http://forums.worldatwarmod.com/showthread.php?t=44696) thread

[Prowl]

Or you could adopt my suggestions in this (http://forums.worldatwarmod.com/showthread.php?t=44696) thread

you said: Why not edit the post with the reason for the "deletion" instead? If you have a way to lock a post from further editing, that's the end of it; if not, and the poster edits his post to restore the original content (or write something else against the rules), then you can delete the post, but at least the poster would know what rule he broke in the first place.

We said: because editing posts doesn't leave any evidence of what you said, and furthermore we have better things to do with our time than justfiy why we edited out you talking about anally raping your dog.

[Discobird]

you said: Why not edit the post with the reason for the "deletion" instead? If you have a way to lock a post from further editing, that's the end of it; if not, and the poster edits his post to restore the original content (or write something else against the rules), then you can delete the post, but at least the poster would know what rule he broke in the first place.

We said: because editing posts doesn't leave any evidence of what you said, and furthermore we have better things to do with our time than justfiy why we edited out you talking about anally raping your dog.

Please read the rest of the thread

[Lord Kelvin]

So, I take it that Kid got a temp ban for what he said in my thread?

[Prowl]

yes

[Modest Genius]

you said: Why not edit the post with the reason for the "deletion" instead? If you have a way to lock a post from further editing, that's the end of it; if not, and the poster edits his post to restore the original content (or write something else against the rules), then you can delete the post, but at least the poster would know what rule he broke in the first place.

We said: because editing posts doesn't leave any evidence of what you said, and furthermore we have better things to do with our time than justfiy why we edited out you talking about anally raping your dog.uh, isn't that what the evidence locker is for?

[StandingCow]

well, now that you show it I do. I forgot about that, and since it was deleted without any sort of notification I didn't remember it being in that thread. As such, when I recieved the warning and looked in the thread for what I had posted and found only the two posts I posted. Which is why we should get a PM when something is deleted.

Maybe you should start thinking before you post then.

So, I take it that Kid got a temp ban for what he said in my thread?

Yes.

[FaKToR]

We're all missing the fact that there was nothing wrong with any of his posts.

[StandingCow]

We're all missing the fact that there was nothing wrong with any of his posts.

Perhaps you missed prowl's post up above (post number 4), I suggest you go look at what there was "nothing wrong with".

If you still think there is nothing wrong with it, you are wrong.

[FaKToR]

If you still think there is nothing wrong with it, you are wrong.

"yea, your moms a freak. She always asks me to pull it out of whatever hole shes getting fucked in at the moment and blow it on her. After anal, I use my poopdrick as a brown marker on her back."

Well I don't see, um-- what exactly is the problem?

[MeanPatrick]

Well I don't see, um-- what exactly is the problem?

One would imagine their problem with it is it's potty humor. However, potty humor hasn't really been moderated from what I've seen. It could also possibly be sex in "bad taste," but the implication above was that it was for something gross. The mixture of either of these reasons with the fact the post was aimed at someone's mother (Or I assume so, I didn't see the context) was what got their goat, I'd wager.

[StandingCow]

Well I don't see, um-- what exactly is the problem?

I am not going to point everything out to you. I think if you think long and hard enough you can figure it out.

[Daywalker]

faktor is right, even what I got warned for wasn't THAT bad. and kid definetly didn't deserve a temp ban.

[neko]

I am not going to point everything out to you. I think if you think long and hard enough you can figure it out.

Gross language, banned.

[StandingCow]

faktor is right, even what I got warned for wasn't THAT bad. and kid definetly didn't deserve a temp ban.

What kid said was deleted, so you may not have seen everything.

Again, you can disagree with a temp ban all you want, but since a mod did it, and we all agree, obviously he DID deserve it.

Difference of opinion is what is going on here, and ours is what carries the weight, like it or not. ;)

[Scraps]

What kid said was deleted, so you may not have seen everything.

Again, you can disagree with a temp ban all you want, but since a mod did it, and we all agree, obviously he DID deserve it.

Difference of opinion is what is going on here, and ours is what carries the weight, like it or not. ;)
And what happens if you drive everyone away with that attitude.

[Daywalker]

unless he posted something after me, i saw the post before mine. Funny yes, not that bad though.

[StandingCow]

And what happens if you drive everyone away with that attitude.

It won't drive everyone away. But if somebody does not like the forum rules, they can ask us about it, see what we say, if we don't want to change it, find a forum that fits what you want.

unless he posted something after me, i saw the post before mine. Funny yes, not that bad though.

I forget how many.. I think 4 of his posts were deleted or something.

[Lord Kelvin]

I dunno, I thought that it was pretty lewd, more so than what's usually posted. Not worth a temp ban though.

[Teedy]

It was a bit over the top guys, and would you all drop the arguing over every freaking rule already? Those are the rules whether you like it or not, and as said before, if you don't like them then you can simply leave. I'm actually starting to get tired myself of seeing you all whine like 5 year olds. Especially you FaKtoR, you're butting in everywhere and anywhere you can just to complain for the sake of it now.

[Daywalker]

don't come into the talk to the mods thread then.

[FaKToR]

It was a bit over the top guys, and would you all drop the arguing over every freaking rule already? Those are the rules whether you like it or not, and as said before, if you don't like them then you can simply leave. I'm actually starting to get tired myself of seeing you all whine like 5 year olds. Especially you FaKtoR, you're butting in everywhere and anywhere you can just to complain for the sake of it now.

You haven't stepped out of the art forum much. This type of post was common place before these new shitty rules were enacted. There was nothing horribly wrong with Daywalker's post given the general atmosphere of the otf.

[StandingCow]

You haven't stepped out of the art forum much. This type of post was common place before these new shitty rules were enacted. There was nothing horribly wrong with Daywalker's post given the general atmosphere of the otf.

No, the types of posts that were deleted were NOT common place before the new shitty rules were enacted. Under the old rules what was posted would have been deleted.

Do I need to remind you that the original post in this thread does not contain the comments in question?

[Mirsky]

No, the types of posts that were deleted were NOT common place before the new shitty rules were enacted.

So you admit you think the new rules are "shitty" ? ;p

[CoMmEnT]

well, now that you show it I do. I forgot about that, and since it was deleted without any sort of notification I didn't remember it being in that thread. As such, when I recieved the warning and looked in the thread for what I had posted and found only the two posts I posted. Which is why we should get a PM when something is deleted.

Well if someone would like to code that facility we will be sure to implement it.


Ok, done.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=115677

If you need any help Prowl, just be sure to ask.

[Teedy]

You haven't stepped out of the art forum much. This type of post was common place before these new shitty rules were enacted. There was nothing horribly wrong with Daywalker's post given the general atmosphere of the otf.


"yea, your moms a freak. She always asks me to pull it out of whatever hole shes getting fucked in at the moment and blow it on her. After anal, I use my poopdrick as a brown marker on her back."

IF that was common place, then the new rules are serving a good purpose. Seriously what part of that post is funny, let alone appropriate in even the slightest of manners? I'm not saying that being inappropriate is wrong, but jesus christ guys, there's a line. That goes too far for 3 reasons, 3 obvious reasons. One it's insulting to another member, two it has scat jokes in it and 3 it's obviously in poor sexual taste.

[Scraps]

Comment fucking wins the thread.

[StandingCow]

Ok, done.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=115677

If you need any help Prowl, just be sure to ask.

I like that, wonder of scav had seen it... I will PM him a link to this thread. :D

Of course now this means we will get a PM back bitching about every single decision we make.. but at least people won't be surprised.

[CoMmEnT]

I like that, wonder of scav had seen it... I will PM him a link to this thread. :D

Of course now this means we will get a PM back bitching about every single decision we make.. but at least people won't be surprised.

You always have to go with the lesser of two evils.

[StandingCow]

You always have to go with the lesser of two evils.

Lesser of two weevils? :)

Maybe I have watched master and commander too many times.

[CoMmEnT]

Lesser of two weevils? :)

Maybe I have watched master and commander too many times.


Evil 1: Be harshly moderated without any knowledge of the infraction by ruthless pedophiles such as you. Also, someone kills your mom.

Evil 2: Receiving a PM about being nicely told that their comment wasn't appreciated by a well deserved but firm administration staff.

:lincoln:

[StandingCow]

Evil 1: Be harshly moderated without any knowledge of the infraction by ruthless pedophiles such as you. Also, someone kills your mom.

Evil 2: Receiving a PM about being nicely told that their comment wasn't appreciated by a well deserved but firm administration staff.

:lincoln:

You better watch it or else we will make YOU a mod.. then start a comment "fan club" :) <3

[Daywalker]

IF that was common place, then the new rules are serving a good purpose. Seriously what part of that post is funny, let alone appropriate in even the slightest of manners? I'm not saying that being inappropriate is wrong, but jesus christ guys, there's a line. That goes too far for 3 reasons, 3 obvious reasons. One it's insulting to another member, two it has scat jokes in it and 3 it's obviously in poor sexual taste.

Ok, most people know Kid and I went to the same high school and anyone thats been in the OTF for a while know we make those kind of jokes about eachother and their families, second poor sexual taste and feces is generally humorous.

[StandingCow]

Ok, most people know Kid and I went to the same high school and anyone thats been in the OTF for a while know we make those kind of jokes about eachother and their families, second poor sexual taste and feces is generally humorous.

Too bad it isn't your personal forum, otherwise that statement woulda held some weight. :)

[CoMmEnT]

You better watch it or else we will make YOU a mod.. then start a comment "fan club" :) <3

Ah, I remember those days...

I unfortunately was supermods with Scav and Lucky.

I was the quiet one.

[Daywalker]

Too bad it isn't your personal forum, otherwise that statement woulda held some weight. :)

that was in response to Teedy's post, and the fact that posts like that were normal in the good OTF

[StandingCow]

that was in response to Teedy's post, and the fact that posts like that were normal in the good OTF

Yea, but they were NOT normal, not to that extent.. even as a mod in the old FA forums I would have removed that... it was sick.

[MeanPatrick]

Yea, but they were NOT normal, not to that extent.. even as a mod in the old FA forums I would have removed that... it was sick.

Would shitting on a bible count as sick? That one's been in the Fun with Catholicism for about three days.

[Daywalker]

Would shitting on a bible count as sick? That one's been in the Fun with Catholicism for about three days.


and intolerant too?:o


thats whats weird about the rules, some stuff can slide, some cant. How do you now if they'll let yours slide?

[MeanPatrick]

thats whats weird about the rules, some stuff can slide, some cant. How do you now if they'll let yours slide?

Go out on a limb. Fall off limb. Pray there is hay at the bottom.

[StandingCow]

Would shitting on a bible count as sick? That one's been in the Fun with Catholicism for about three days.

and intolerant too?:o


thats whats weird about the rules, some stuff can slide, some cant. How do you now if they'll let yours slide?

Go out on a limb. Fall off limb. Pray there is hay at the bottom.

Again, we cannot catch everything, for something like that it would take somebody reporting it. I haven't even looked in that thread.

So, this is not a case, as far as I know, of letting something slide, its that we never saw it. HOWEVER, I know that I and possibly the other mods do try and let some things slide, but when we do that it seems to come back and bite us in the ass, because someone goes, "OMG WHY WAS THIS ALLOWED AND MINE ISNT?!". So, its sort of lose lose for us.

[Daywalker]

the problem for letting things slide is I base the vulgarity of my posts off of the vulgarity I've seen that hasn't gotten deleted

[StandingCow]

the problem for letting things slide is I base the vulgarity of my posts off of the vulgarity I've seen that hasn't gotten deleted

And that is where the issue lies... I disagree that we knowningly ever allowed it.

Again, we miss things. *shrug*

I am going to bed.

[MeanPatrick]

So, its sort of lose lose for us.

You're moderators, you're always in a lose-lose situation. It's what Trekkies call a Kobayashi Maru.

[Lord Kelvin]

So, the solution would be to make more moderators...?


Hey, it'd be nice to spread the flames around a bit.

[Discobird]

Ok, done.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=115677

If you need any help Prowl, just be sure to ask.

+rep, nice find

[Modest Genius]

So you admit you think the new rules are "shitty" ? ;pgood point ;)
Ok, done.

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=115677

If you need any help Prowl, just be sure to ask.Science has been DROPPED
Ok, most people know Kid and I went to the same high school and anyone thats been in the OTF for a while know we make those kind of jokes about eachother and their familiesI knew neither of those thingssecond poor sexual taste and feces is generally humorous.uh, no it isn't

[Daywalker]

And that is where the issue lies... I disagree that we knowningly ever allowed it.

Again, we miss things. *shrug*

I am going to bed.

I never said you did, theres just no way of knowing what was allowed and what wasn't looked at. Thats why I think it is stupid for the first gross language usage since the new rules I got strikes and not just a warning.


MG, you don't count.

[SWATJester_os]

I dunno, I thought that it was pretty lewd, more so than what's usually posted. Not worth a temp ban though.

Hence why I didn't ban Daywalker, just gave him an infraction and deleted the post, whereas Kid's posts were solely for the purpose of being disgusting and contributed nothing to the thread. Daywalkers other posts were fine, it was just the one. That's why it was deleted, I gave him a warning about it, and we move onwards from there.

[SWATJester_os]

So, the solution would be to make more moderators...?


Hey, it'd be nice to spread the flames around a bit.

It's likely going to happen.


As for whoever was asking about going out on a limb, you have two options. You can a) ask a mod/admin first if it's ok, and then post somewhere in the thread "I asked, SWAT/whoever said it's ok". Or, you can b) use common sense and don't post things that are clearly inappropriate. Put it like this: If I can tell by your post that you weren't purposefully violating the rules, or that you thought it was acceptable and I can reasonablly see how you came to that conclusion, I'm definitely not going to temp-ban you, and I probably won't even issue an infraction, just delete the post and PM you or something (or I'll issue a 0 point infraction because it's faster and simpler for me than PMing). However, if you do something purely for the sake of being inappropriate, I'm not going to give much leeway.

[SWATJester_os]

I never said you did, theres just no way of knowing what was allowed and what wasn't looked at. Thats why I think it is stupid for the first gross language usage since the new rules I got strikes and not just a warning.


MG, you don't count.

Yeah, technically you got strikes, but it really doesn't do anything since I don't think it bans you at 10 points anymore. Just think of the warning as an automated private message that what you posted wasn't appropriate, and just don't do it again in the future.

[Prowl]

the issue here is that we deleted some posts, issued some infractions and one temp ban for someone that went way over the line. From that you would hope the message was sent and received, however we are now on page 6 of the bitching about getting told off for it thread.

what happened to realising that you done wrong and moving on?

[Lord Kelvin]

however we are now on page 2 of the bitching about getting told off for it thread.

Fixed. :)

[FaKToR]

the issue here is that we deleted some posts, issued some infractions and one temp ban for someone that went way over the line.
Oh noes, one toke over ze line. WAY TOO FAR. Tough up pussy, you never would have been this crazed before.

what happened to realising that you done wrong and moving on?
I'm still trying to figure out why you haven't realized you're in the wrong.

[StandingCow]

Oh noes, one toke over ze line. WAY TOO FAR. Tough up pussy, you never would have been this crazed before.


I'm still trying to figure out why you haven't realized you're in the wrong.

Its not about toughing up, its about the fucking rules... you think cursing or things against the rules personally offend us and that is why we enforce them? Come on, you HAVE to be smarter than this.

Because we are not in the wrong, you are.

[Lord Kelvin]

Y'know Fak, I really have to ask the obvious question: if you don't like the new rules, then why don't you just leave? Christ knows the forum could do less with your arguing-for-the-hell-of-it attitude...

[FaKToR]

Y'know Fak, I really have to ask the obvious question: if you don't like the new rules, then why don't you just leave? Christ knows the forum could do less with your arguing-for-the-hell-of-it attitude...

If you don't like me voicing my discontent for the rules then why don't you just get out? God knows we can do without you butting into situations that not only don't concern, but that you've repeatedly voiced discussed for. Are you masochist or do you just lack any sense of pattern recognition?

If you want things to change you say something about it, which is what I've been doing.

[Daywalker]

the one part that was glossed over was the reason I made this thread. It would be nice when warned or points or whatever given if we could actually see what we got it for. I forgot that I made that post in that thread, I make a lot of posts and I don't really remember what I made where.

[StandingCow]

the one part that was glossed over was the reason I made this thread. It would be nice when warned or points or whatever given if we could actually see what we got it for. I forgot that I made that post in that thread, I make a lot of posts and I don't really remember what I made where.

You mean see the warning? its in your user CP.. or is that not what you mean?

[Daywalker]

I saw I got it, but I didn't know for what post. Thats why I started this thread.

[StandingCow]

I saw I got it, but I didn't know for what post. Thats why I started this thread.

That is because the post is deleted, when you click on it it takes you to where your post WAS, right? It takes me to your deleted post.

Not sure there is much we could do about this, but if you really need a reminder we could PM you the context. You really forget that fast?

[Daywalker]

It would just be nice so I know exactly what I got warned for. That way there is no confusion, it took me to the thread, but I only got to see the undeleted posts.

[StandingCow]

It would just be nice so I know exactly what I got warned for. That way there is no confusion, it took me to the thread, but I only got to see the undeleted posts.

Well, scav will have to reply because I am not sure if it is possible, since its deleted, not much we can do about that.. unless that tool that comment posted also PMs you an example of what you got warned for..

[Lord Kelvin]

Can't you simply PM with the entirety of the post itself in quotes? I'm sure that would be quite easy to do.

[Teedy]

If you don't like me voicing my discontent for the rules then why don't you just get out? God knows we can do without you butting into situations that not only don't concern, but that you've repeatedly voiced discussed for. Are you masochist or do you just lack any sense of pattern recognition?

If you want things to change you say something about it, which is what I've been doing.



You've got to be kidding me FaKToR, you're doing EXACTLY what you accused Kelvin in, butting in where isn't your business in this thread, at which point such an accusation both invalid and stupid because you're doing it. Not to mention that the accusation is implicitly useless originally because he has every right to voice his opinion on the topic. Again, you all know that was over the line and I really feel you're being 12 year olds about this all and simply kicking mommy over and over because she took your juice away, kicking her again and again won't bring it back.


Seriously, common sense should not be this difficult for the world to discover.

[StandingCow]

Can't you simply PM with the entirety of the post itself in quotes? I'm sure that would be quite easy to do.

Takes too much time, and its a pain in the ass, so no. Right now we already have to take time and copy the thread to our evidence, delete all the posts, decide if an infraction is needed...

[FaKToR]

You've got to be kidding me FaKToR, you're doing EXACTLY what you accused Kelvin in, butting in where isn't your business in this thread, at which point such an accusation both invalid and stupid because you're doing it. Not to mention that the accusation is implicitly useless originally because he has every right to voice his opinion on the topic.
I was merely holding him to his own standards. My point was that he was being inconsistent, whereas I am practicing what I preach.

Again, you all know that was over the line and I really feel you're being 12 year olds about this all and simply kicking mommy over and over because she took your juice away, kicking her again and again won't bring it back.
It's better than doing nothing.

[Teedy]

There are better ways to do something also though.

[rovens]

It's better than doing nothing.

In your case i'd rather you just did nothing, by this i mean just shut up.

[DasHuhn]

There are better ways to do something also though.

Such as....?

I'm sure if faktor believed that doing other things would improve the situation, he would in a heartbeat :)

[Teedy]

I doubt it. It's become quite obvious that he's content to simply complain that the rules are crap, the admins won't provide clear specs on each on etc. etc. There was a post about changing the rules perhaps, rules that haven't even existed for a whole month. It's bloody ridiculous guys, none of you is twelve and incapable of judging what appropriate and innapropriate language is, and even if you aren't capabale of that it's just a warning. You're all making an enormous fuss because you're getting the equivalent of having your cookies taken away because you threw them on the floor.

[Gene$tarwind]

My name is Gene, and I fail to grasp the concept that this is NOT the OTF.