Job ideas?

[Gopats]

15 years old..need (would like) monies..

Slowly calling up every restaurant in town..
The supermarkets don't want me
No golf courses here

Any other suggestions?

Only too things that I would really prefer not to do would to babysit and to be a camp counselor.

[Lee]

mcdonalds =D

[Gopats]

They hire 15 year olds?

[Daywalker]

15 you can pick strawberries or something. Not sure what else you can do since your 15

[TheSock]

They hire 15 year olds?

Doesn't hurt to try, apply to enough places and you're bound to get in somewhere.

[Captain Colon]

your only options are pretty much dishwasher and maybe a pizza place or something

[BlindSite]

Work at a pool shop its good.

[Daywalker]

be a hooker

[Psyche]

mow lawns? dog walker?

[proudinfidel117]

15 is too young to work for corporations, we had a dude get fired cause no one knew he was 15 untill a month after he got hired :D

[FaKToR]

Don't be a fewl, stay in skewl.

[BlindSite]

15 is too young to work for corporations, we had a dude get fired cause no one knew he was 15 untill a month after he got hired :D


That's k-razy, I had my first job at 15 working checkouts at the supermarket, by 17 I was brining in like 1,000 dollars a day on weekends where I work now, for a fraction of the wage he'd have to pay someone three years older.

[Psyche]

That's k-razy, I had my first job at 15 working checkouts at the supermarket, by 17 I was brining in like 1,000 dollars a day on weekends where I work now, for a fraction of the wage he'd have to pay someone three years older.

the US has these unfortunate child labor laws that only let 15 year olds work like 3 hours or so a day.

[Noirceur]

the US has these unfortunate child labor laws that only let 15 year olds work like 3 hours or so a day.
Work permit.

[Psyche]

Work permit.

not all states have those. afaik florida didn't

[Noirceur]

not all states have those. afaik florida didn't
CT does, and he's from CT, albeit incredibly far from where I am.

[Reveller]

i got a job at a local best buy recently :)

[Captain Colon]

That's k-razy, I had my first job at 15 working checkouts at the supermarket, by 17 I was brining in like 1,000 dollars a day on weekends where I work now, for a fraction of the wage he'd have to pay someone three years older.
so why are you letting yourself get boned hard when you know you could make more

[Towelie]

Get a job doing bitch-work for a Private Contractor and get paid under-the-table.

At 15 I was working for a parking-lot striping company, getting paid 10.00 an hour, tax free. Although it was only part-time.

[marty]

Start a small business, be a trader.

With a little starting capital you can set yourself up to be a craigslist merchant. That might not be possible though -- it pretty much only works in cities that have a high craigslist listing volume.

With a little more capital, you can set yourself up to be an ebay merchant.

If you have no money (why else would oyu need a job?), ask your parents for a loan. You can make a pretty nifty proposal to help convince them. A cute little show that shows that you know what you're doing and that there's no harm in encouraging you.

IMO, an easier way would be to find something that you already have and want to unload. You can then sell it and the cash you get from that sale can buy you more merchandise.

But a wise, sleazy, and morally and ethically bankrupt businessman once told me, "don't use your own money."

Good thing is that people who buy can come to your house to pick up the merchandise, but when you buy you have to go get it yourself. If you keep things small, you might just bike all over the place or take the bus.

It's a lot of work without a car, but if you are good you will make pretty decent money and have a good time. You'll also be building up some great skills that will help you a LOT in the future.

Honestly though, you might make more money with a minimum wage job -- the thing is that you'll actually have more money in the end because you'll appreciate the value of money and won't spend it on stupid crap. And when you DO spend it on stupid crap, your mercantile skills will help you find good deals on them.

[BlindSite]

so why are you letting yourself get boned hard when you know you could make more

Cause I just signed a contract giving me double comission.

I was on 1.5% so now I'll get like 350+ a month extra on top of my wages.

[FaKToR]

Start a small business, be a trader.

With a little starting capital you can set yourself up to be a craigslist merchant. That might not be possible though -- it pretty much only works in cities that have a high craigslist listing volume.

With a little more capital, you can set yourself up to be an ebay merchant.

If you have no money (why else would oyu need a job?), ask your parents for a loan. You can make a pretty nifty proposal to help convince them. A cute little show that shows that you know what you're doing and that there's no harm in encouraging you.

IMO, an easier way would be to find something that you already have and want to unload. You can then sell it and the cash you get from that sale can buy you more merchandise.

But a wise, sleazy, and morally and ethically bankrupt businessman once told me, "don't use your own money."

Good thing is that people who buy can come to your house to pick up the merchandise, but when you buy you have to go get it yourself. If you keep things small, you might just bike all over the place or take the bus.

It's a lot of work without a car, but if you are good you will make pretty decent money and have a good time. You'll also be building up some great skills that will help you a LOT in the future.

Honestly though, you might make more money with a minimum wage job -- the thing is that you'll actually have more money in the end because you'll appreciate the value of money and won't spend it on stupid crap. And when you DO spend it on stupid crap, your mercantile skills will help you find good deals on them.
All you need marty is an annoying english accent and to keep repeating "I was able to make fast money simply by taking out ads in the newspaper!" over and over again.

[Captain Colon]

I found an awesome get-rich-quick scheme once. Just go around those work-at-home moms sites advertising a sweet work-at-home typing position for like $2 (you know, to pay for e-mail expenses). The position is typing up ads for the typing position, and the income is from suckers who want the position badly enough to pay for it.

[Scraps]

Faktor, Marty doesnt have an accient.
Colon, LOLOLOLOLOLOLLOOLOOLLO

[MeanPatrick]

Become a musician, compose at least fifteen super-awesome songs, get an afro, get a girlfriend who looks like a slut, get hooked on cocaine, get hooked on heroine, go to jail, go to to rehab, do not pass go, get hooked on cocaine and heroine again, get fat, die in hotel room while taking a bath.

[Scraps]

Become a musician, compose at least fifteen super-awesome songs, get an afro, get a girlfriend who looks like a slut, get hooked on cocaine, get hooked on heroine, go to jail, go to to rehab, do not pass go, get hooked on cocaine and heroine again, get fat, die in hotel room while taking a bath.
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[MeanPatrick]

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[Scraps]

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7773/owlorry6oerq1.jpg

http://www.orlyowl.com/thisround.jpg
(because I have to go to class :()

[Gopats]

Yay I just a job as a dishwasher D:

[Captain Colon]

haha owned

[BattleWhack]

Washing dishes fucking blows nuts man, you can do better than that.

I had a part time job at an autobody shop when I was 15 or so, and it kicked ass. Learned a lot of cool stuff, too.

Maybe it's me, but I can't stand the thought of washing a dish some fucker ate off of. Smacks of "bitchery" :)

[proudinfidel117]

my asshole english teacher last year hurt his back when he was younger working as a dishwasher. remember to lift correctly :)

[Gopats]

Right now I'm just glad an oppurtunity finally came around and I got a job for the summer

[proudinfidel117]

Right now I'm just glad an oppurtunity finally came around and I got a job for the summer


give it time and you'll feel different:lincoln:

always try to find a better job.

[maggie]

No shame in honest work.

[t00bsoks]

Try to work at a place like Target. It sucks ass, but you can get lots of skills that apply to other places that wouldn't suck as much.

[Gopats]

They dont hire at 15

[maggie]

The most important skills to learn at your first job are listening, asking questions, showing up on time for every shift, and not throttling your stupid boss.
You can learn that stuff at any job.

[FaKToR]

Washing dishes fucking blows nuts man, you can do better than that.

I had a part time job at an autobody shop when I was 15 or so, and it kicked ass. Learned a lot of cool stuff, too.

Maybe it's me, but I can't stand the thought of washing a dish some fucker ate off of. Smacks of "bitchery" :)

I wash dishes and I love my job.

[marty]

I wash dishes and I love my job.

Oh, you're one of "those" guys

[Mystrick]

Get certified to be a lifeguard. I work as a lifeguard sub (because I was too lazy to apply early) and I now get 6.50 an hour at one place and 9.00 an hour at another. I've already worked 4 days at the 9$ an hour and 1 day at the 6.50$ an hour and will probably work Tuesday. (note: at the 9$ an hour job I only work 2-3 hours and spend most the time watching kids swim and talking to the other guards, and at the lesser paying job I sit in the hot sun watching little kids be little shits and screw around at a lake)

[FaKToR]

Oh, you're one of "those" guys

Someone who likes their job?

[marty]

Someone who likes their job?

Overeducated

[BlindSite]

No shame in honest work.


LOL there is if you're a cleaner or a dishwasher.

[FaKToR]

LOL there is if you're a cleaner or a dishwasher.

What's wrong with washing dishes?

[marty]

What's wrong with washing dishes?

Maybe he means that the disadvantage of being a dishwasher is that you can't be elitist against other dishwashers

[BlindSite]

No I mean you're washing fucking dishes. If you allow yourself or accept doing menial tasks for money, you're a whore.

I work with my brain, my hands and my dedication and drive to succeed and believe it or not its got me places...

Washing dishes is a job for retards and unskilled morons who aren't anything better.

I know its a starting point, and right now that's all he's got to work with, but if you're anything other than a 15 year old doing it, there's something wrong with you.

Yes I'm arrogant and an asshole, tell me something new...

[FaKToR]

The world needs dishwashers...

[marty]

The world needs dishwashers...

It's okay, he's merely middle class.

[pk!]

Have you thought of going into business? There's a lot of money to be made just importing second-hand cellphones, unlocking them and re-selling for the US market. In general the US is a little bit behind Europe so you can get the latest models cheaper over here. All you'd need is a bank account and a PC.

[marty]

Have you thought of going into business? There's a lot of money to be made just importing second-hand cellphones, unlocking them and re-selling for the US market. In general the US is a little bit behind Europe so you can get the latest models cheaper over here. All you'd need is a bank account and a PC.

A LITTLE? You're totally understating how behind we are in fielding the technology we are responsible for. But that is quite a good idea.

[Daywalker]

No I mean you're washing fucking dishes. If you allow yourself or accept doing menial tasks for money, you're a whore.

I work with my brain, my hands and my dedication and drive to succeed and believe it or not its got me places...

Washing dishes is a job for retards and unskilled morons who aren't anything better.

I know its a starting point, and right now that's all he's got to work with, but if you're anything other than a 15 year old doing it, there's something wrong with you.

Yes I'm arrogant and an asshole, tell me something new...



aren't you some pencil pusher at a pool supply place that just handles orders or something? Doesn't sound like you use your brain too much for that

[Chunkywheats]

I haul shit around in a warehouse for a recreational supply company (the great escape, dunno if you guys have heard of it) It is hard work for meager pay (though I'm gonna ask for a raise in July), but I like the fact that I'm going to try to be the best at my job, make myself irreplacable, then quit.

[PsychoMantis]

aren't you some pencil pusher at a pool supply place that just handles orders or something? Doesn't sound like you use your brain too much for that

I normally just ignore him when he goes on those rants.

[BlindSite]

aren't you some pencil pusher at a pool supply place that just handles orders or something? Doesn't sound like you use your brain too much for that

No, I do stuff like that, but I also liase with like 5 real estate companies to keep our maintenance department busy, I made the company 1 million plus in under 6 months... I run our water restrictions area which basically means I implement shit to help our business and customers save water and therefore money which then comes back to us because I end up giving the cunts the materials and equipment they need.

Other than that I'm a freelance journalist while I'm studying my degree.

[FaKToR]

After seeing what Rupert Murdoch has done and knowing you blindsite I must really wonder what Australia's media looks like.

[BlindSite]

Considering one of our own is the most powerful in the known universe in the industry I'd say pretty fucking awesome.

[killerfluffy]

Once you turn 16 try to get a job at a place like Five Guys, the burger shop, or somewhere like that. My brother just started working there and he's only 16. He does everything from mopping floors to running the grill. It's good work and gives you some decent experience in restaurants, which can be a cash cow when you're in college.

[Degree:N]

After seeing what Rupert Murdoch has done and knowing you blindsite I must really wonder what Australia's media looks like.Australia's media is generally not bad, but ranks low in terms of diversity. There is quite a bit of info-tainment i.e. most/all privately owned media.

According to Reporters Without Borders* in 2004, Australia is in 41st position on a list of countries ranked by Press Freedom; well behind New Zealand (9th) and United Kingdom (28th). This ranking is primarily due to the limited diversity in media ownership.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_of_media_ownership

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders

[BlindSite]

Press Freedom are pretty much nut hugers of groups like UNESCO and don't know shit about business.

[marty]

Yeah.... And do you know any shit about business?

[GoatChomper]

I know its a starting point, and right now that's all he's got to work with, but if you're anything other than a 15 year old doing it, there's something wrong with you.
Mierda de toro. Even adults sometimes have to start again.

When I read this, I had a memory of something I'd seen years ago in a made-for-TV biography of Golda Meir. There's a scene in it where she talks to a kibbutznik who, once a university professor of Romance languages, now made his living as a bricklayer.

[BlindSite]

There's a difference between skilled labour, like a brick laying and knowing how to use a sponge...

My friends are tradesman, I wouldn't talk shit about their profession because most people would be useless at it.

nice job though, insulting skilled craftsmen and laborers by comparing them to people who wash dishes...

Yeah.... And do you know any shit about business?

When it comes to the media industry more than most of the population.

[killerfluffy]

There's a difference between skilled labour, like a brick laying and knowing how to use a sponge...

My friends are tradesman, I wouldn't talk shit about their profession because most people would be useless at it.

nice job though, insulting skilled craftsmen and laborers by comparing them to people who wash dishes...

Good god you're fucking stupid when you want to be. A bricklayer is unskilled labor. There is nothing remotely complicated about spreading concrete and then laying bricks on it. Just like there's nothing complicated about washing dishes. Both are jobs, both pay money and suprisinly, some of those jobs like washing dishes can pay a living wage.

A skilled craftsman would be a stone mason, or a carpenter with years of experience, not some guy slapping down bricks or cinderblocks on a construction site. Goat wasn't insulting anyone. You, on the other hand, are insulting an entire group of people who, for various reasons often beyond their control, were never afforded the oppurtunities for education that other people were.

Your posturing is pretty goddamned offensive to be perfectly honest. The fact that these people are willing to work those shitty jobs instead of sitting at home and collecting welfare should be applauded. They're trying to do the right thing, the best way that they can.

[Shloom]

Good god you're fucking stupid when you want to be. A bricklayer is unskilled labor. There is nothing remotely complicated about spreading concrete, than laying bricks on it. Just like there's nothing complicated about washing dishes. Both are jobs, both pay money and suprisinly, some of those jobs l ike washing dishes can pay a living wage.

A skilled craftsman would be a stone mason, or a carpenter with years of experience, not some guy slapping down bricks or cinderblocks on a construction site. Goat wasn't insulting anyone. You, on the other hand, are insulting an entire group of people who, for various reasons often beyond their control, were never afforded the oppurtunities for education that other people were.

Your posturing is pretty goddamned offensive to be perfectly honest. The fact that these people are willing to work those shitty jobs instead of sitting at home and collecting welfare should be applauded. They're trying to do the right thing, the best way that they can.


When it comes to the media industry more than most of the population.[/QUOTE]

thank you for this post

[Tuulos]

You just need to think what to tell when people ask what you do for living. Like this (http://www.golden-throne.com/?p=33).

[GoatChomper]

There's a difference between skilled labour, like a brick laying and knowing how to use a sponge...
Tell you what, then...the next time you go to a restaurant, be sure to go into the kitchen and let the dishwashers know their lowly status on your totem pole.

Then return to your table and place your order. Enjoy.

[Prowl]

while blindsite is overstating the case a little, essentially he isn't far wrong.

washing dishes is not going to progress you in life, it's not the door to a career in anything, and only teaches you the most basic of skills.

[pro kossu]

while blindsite is overstating the case a little, essentially he isn't far wrong.

washing dishes is not going to progress you in life, it's not the door to a career in anything, and only teaches you the most basic of skills.

Well that depends if your aspirations in life = working. If you look at your job as an enabler for doing the things you really want to do, it doesn't really matter what it is you do for a living or how much it pays as long as you survive. Then again, if your wage is so low that you have to work 18 hours a day just to get by, that's not good either.

I, for one, don't want to be a performer who lives for his job. There's more to life than your salary or your career (MMORPGs for example :D). I piss on the protestant work ethics.

[Shloom]

while blindsite is overstating the case a little, essentially he isn't far wrong.

washing dishes is not going to progress you in life, it's not the door to a career in anything, and only teaches you the most basic of skills.

Could be entry into the restaurant business, cook or bartender may not be far behind.

[GoatChomper]

washing dishes is not going to progress you in life, it's not the door to a career in anything...
Incorrect...many a successful franchisee or restaurater has started off that way.

[Daffy]

and what about people who do dishes because they're retired and bored? XD

[Daywalker]

While Blindsite is a douchebag, bricklayer is a skilled trade. Its more than just slapping down mortar(not concrete) and throwing a brick on top. It does take skill, you guys should try building a brick wall and see how it works out.

Dishwashing isn't pointless, you can't always start in some kickass job associated with your career goals. Although if you do want to get into the resturant industry it would be a good starting point.

[FaKToR]

I just want to say, I love my job.

[pro kossu]

I just want to say, I love my job.

Well if you love your job so much, why don't you marry it! :menkey:

I like my job too, especially when I get an interesting text to tackle, but I'd rather take a blowjob.

[CaptCommy]

I have respect for anyone who does what they have to do to get by. If that requires getting the shittiest job in existence just to make enough money to live, then fine. Work is work.

Also, dishwashing can open quite a few doors. You can do it for a while till you have enough money to send yourself to a college and get a bachelors in something better up, and then get a 'real' job.

Any job provides money. Money can be used to boost one's status/education/standard of living. I respect anyone who works. And I do mean works, not just has a job and does terrible at it because they're lazy. As long as they're trying, I'm a happy panda.

Edit: A supporting anecdote. I have a friend, who, after a long series of shitty circumstances, wound up at 18, living in Kansas, no money and no education pass high school. While the fault is kinda hard to place, I wouldn't really blame her for what happened. Now she works the night shift at Wal-Mart, trying to put together enough money to send herself to college so she can get a better job and a better life. I have about a billion times more respect for her than most college educated people and 'skilled' laborers.

[Prowl]

Incorrect...many a successful franchisee or restaurater has started off that way.

And Richard Branson does'nt have any GCSEs and left school early, but it's hardly supporting evidence that if you leave school with no qualifications that is a path to a career being a huge business tycoon.

My point was originally going to be that if you can manage to use a computer well enough to post here then you can probably find a nice office job using a PC or else do hands on tech support which typically pays better and leads to much better things (more reliably) than washing dishes.

This is more aimed at someone of working age, rather than gopats for whom washing dishes is just a holiday money earner.

[GoatChomper]

And Richard Branson does'nt have any GCSEs and left school early, but it's hardly supporting evidence that if you leave school with no qualifications that is a path to a career being a huge business tycoon.
Congratulations...you've discovered that there are no guarantees.
My point was originally going to be that if you can manage to use a computer well enough to post here then you can probably find a nice office job using a PC or else do hands on tech support which typically pays better...
By only a small margin...assuming, of course, that positions are available.
...and leads to much better things (more reliably) than washing dishes.
I wouldn't say so. I've seen far more kitchen workers elevated to manager than I ever saw telephone-and-PC slaves promoted through their respective corporate ranks.

[killerfluffy]

Most tech support jobs that pay better than dishwasher require you to have A+ certification, and while I am more than competent with hardware installation, network design and intergration as well as trouble shooting I can't get a job because I don't have said certification. Office jobs also don't work for all people. I've interned at Law Firms and International Funds when my major was Political Science and International Relations. However I found that I absolutely hated working behind a desk from eight to five. I started waiting tables again and I'm about to put myself through the EMT/Paramedic Academy and get a Degree in Emergency Medicine. Oddly enough, I've had to work in restaurants for almost a decade to have the experience and knowledge necessary to make enough money to support myself on my own and going to school at the same time.

In the current job market, things aren't very clear cut. But to back up what Goat said, most people that are successful in this business AND good people generally started at the absolute bottom of the fucking barrel.

[marty]

Mailroom clerk to CEO stories in my industry are surprisingly common. I started slightly higher than that. I'll see where it goes.

[Somedude]

Most tech support jobs that pay better than dishwasher require you to have A+ certification, and while I am more than competent with hardware installation, network design and intergration as well as trouble shooting I can't get a job because I don't have said certification.

Just got mine today after putting it off for years. :D

Seriously though, not a hard certification to get, the tests are easy if you know your stuff. All I did to study was read this book (http://certification.comptia.org/resources/find_materials.aspx?id=772), and do the practice tests, and I got an 835 and 845 on my 601 and 602 respectively. If you want to work in IT even for awhile, it's probably worth getting, since you never have to renew it. As long as you can justify the $280+ for exam vouchers and study materials, I'd say go for it.

[killerfluffy]

I'd have no use for the certification. Most entry level tech support jobs pay less than I make as a waiter, and the only field that I'll take a pay hit to get into is medicine. :(

[Somedude]

I'd have no use for the certification. Most entry level tech support jobs pay less than I make as a waiter, and the only field that I'll take a pay hit to get into is medicine. :(

I dunno, it never hurts to keep certified in other areas outside of your field. You could always freelance (http://www.onforce.com/) or take things on the side. It just sounded like you were wishing you had your certification, so I was just trying to explain how amazingly easy it is to get. Well, that and to brag about getting certimafied myself. :D

[CaptCommy]

Yeah, A+ Cert is really easy to get. I probably could if I took the time to, but well, no offense, but it's kinda beneath me. Getting a degree in IT/Game Deisgn kinda makes it useless to moi. But for most, it's nice to have.

[Somedude]

Yeah, A+ Cert is really easy to get. I probably could if I took the time to, but well, no offense, but it's kinda beneath me. Getting a degree in IT/Game Deisgn kinda makes it useless to moi. But for most, it's nice to have.

Beneath you? I doubt it, maybe outside of your sphere of interest if you want to jump straight into game development. Regardless of getting a degree, you're probably going to want to be certified in at least a few things to boost your marketability and pay-scale. A+ isn't a highly desired certification by itself, but it is a cornerstone to an IT career. If you ever plan on getting your MCSE or MCSA, the A+ and Network+ satisfy the elective requirement, and in the meantime, you have two certs that you can put on your resume.

[Gopats]

First day..not that bad

[FaKToR]

If you're not getting high you're doing it wrong.

[Gopats]

i'll probably start doing that next week

[killerfluffy]

Just remember, don't do anything illegal. Just find some stainless steel piece of shelving or counter top with poor circulation and shiela shine the shit out of it. Just be sure to get fresh air soon after, that shit is seriously no bueno.

[Denwad]

i work for AAFES as an intermittent employee

i get paid $8.36 to do various mundane tasks ranging from making pizza, scooping ice cream, mopping floors, dishes etc.

sometimes i hate my job, other times i love it, the only reason i still work there are my co-workers, and the fact that me finding a job that isn't less lame than the one i have would probably be difficult.

the management is seriously goddamn retarded though, one of the general managers is leaving in 4 days because she's such a dumb bitch she got demoted two grades or something like that. thats what that dumb cunt gets for walking around bitching, and then ordering all the wrong fucking stuff so we always run out of shit, and then in turn she bitches at us for that.

then linda, the other general manager, whos entire job only seems to walk around and bitch all day. but that's her job, if she didn't do that the place would probably work a whole lot better. it might be a little messier and i might not wear my name tag all day, but fuckit.

[OMFG it g00]

eh washing dishes/working fast food isnt terrible, I love my store manager, and if i were to put in more hours/skip college I could definately go far (Manager easily, store and regional a definate possiblity) so sure the job basically sucks (except for aforemention mnager who is great) but its money, and its got possiblity for advance ment if i really want it...
so w/e

[Gopats]

Just remember, don't do anything illegal. Just find some stainless steel piece of shelving or counter top with poor circulation and shiela shine the shit out of it. Just be sure to get fresh air soon after, that shit is seriously no bueno.

I don't get any cool-ass polishing shit or anything D:

[BlindSite]

Good god you're fucking stupid when you want to be. A bricklayer is unskilled labor.

Actually it's a certified trade that takes over 3 years full time to learn to become fully accredited.

Mixing motar and placing it on the bricks is like typing is to coding... Its the most basic part of an intricate trade.

[killerfluffy]

That's masonry.

[Daywalker]

umm please explain how a brick layer is different from a mason?

When you are done, you can explain the differences between a fireman and a firefigher, a cop and a law enfocement officer, and finaly a cook and a cheif.

[killerfluffy]

Daywalker: Cooks are generally any person off the street that is capable of preparing food and do that in the restaurant. Chef's are people that have generally gone through a professional school and or worked for years in the business and worked their way up the food chain. They're responsible for overseeing the entire culinary operation (Executive chef and Chef de Cusine) of the facility or overseeing one particular kitchen or shift(Sous Chef). In larger facilities there is another person equal in standing to the Executive Chef; he or she is the Chef Garde Manger and oversees all food preperation that does not come off the hot-lane or the bakery. There can also be a Pâtissier if the kitchen merits one. The scope of responsibilities and skill-sets are what differentiates cooks from chefs.

I can't speak to whether or not there's a difference between firefighter and fireman. But a cop would be a subcategory of LEO.

Using the term bricklayer, in this area, means someone who is unskilled and is part of a larger construction team, often with little or no experience or training. You're using the definition of bricklayer, I assume, as a journeyman brickmason, someone who has completed a three year post-secondary apprenticeship. I was using the term as it would be used colloquially. I wasn't comparing it to a union journeyman, I was comparing it to some schlep on a local construction crew who has no meaningful training; somone that lays bricks in the sidewalks, hence the name.

If you wanna detract from the real meat of the argument and tie me up over semantics you're more then welcome to go for it. My argument was that railing against the people willing to work the jobs at the bottom of the barrel is fucking offensive and pretentious is ways that are honestly unfuckingimaginable to me. I work with a bunch of haitian women who barely speak english and bust their asses working in our kitchen washing our dishes. Honestly, god fucking help the person who ever comes into our kitchen and says a mean thing to them, you'd have the whole restaurant coming down on you like a ton of fucking bricks. We respect them because they're willing to bust their asses, our restaurant cannot function without and them and I'll be damned if your going to talk shit about those people.

[GoatChomper]

But a cop would be a subcategory of LEO.
Umm, no..."cop" is merely slang for LEO.

[Daywalker]

You were the one saying he was stupid for saying bricklaying was a skilled trade. All you are doing is spitting hairs on this. Tomatoe toemato shit.

[killerfluffy]

I already admitted that I was using a colloquialism. That's as far as I'm going to go, the rest of the argument still stands on its own merit. I've clarified what I've said, but please, by all means, focus on one particular word from the rest of my argument rather than adressing the point that I was raising.

[marty]

I know we kind of have a tradition here of drifting off-topic, but DAAAAAAAMN

[Chunkywheats]

remove bricklayer, insert ditch digger