Thoughts on the rules, and possibly relaxing some?

[StandingCow]

Ok guys, as you know, waw is not going to happen, so I felt that some of the rules are no longer needed, as there is really no image to keep up.

Some of the rules are going to have to stay, such as discussion of illegal drugs, etc. But some of the now silly rules like no drawn penises (LOL you guys love to do this) and cursing in thread titles/posts (although it still cannot be extreme) should be done away with.

So, let me know what you all think, what can we do to make this place more fun for you guys.

[Modest Genius]

good fucking riddance

EDIT: rules I think should be repealed:
1a. 1b should be rewritten to avoid porn, say draw the line at what could be shown on television. 5 is now irrelevant.

Others:
7 needs enforcing or it's pointless

[Lord Kelvin]

Free pr0n and flaming plz?

[StandingCow]

Hehe, no, flaming is still going to be against the rules, we don't want people being jackasses to one another, nobody likes that.

And no porn, except what MG suggested is doable I think, long as its allowed on TV, it should be fine.

MG, I don't check all sigs, if you see one that is out of line, let us know with the report button.

[FaKToR]

People post on the forums from all over the world, what television standards are we going to use here?

[GusButts]

Mine.

[StandingCow]

People post on the forums from all over the world, what television standards are we going to use here?

Would have to be the US ones, since the servers are based in the US. Arizona.

[GusButts]

Softcore porn after 11pm.

[StandingCow]

Softcore porn after 11pm.

hehe, no, I Am talking about public television.

You guys want porn then we would have to make you pay to access the area.

[GusButts]

There's softcore porn every night at 11pm on a public channel here man, you know, one of those channels that you have by default even if you don't have cable.

[StandingCow]

Well, we certainly are not going to allow porn, so forget that. Think prime time.

[GusButts]

Man I've seen things here that were worst than softcore porn rofl

[Chunkywheats]

drawn penises are allowed on TV?

what channel am i not watching?


also, I think we are about par with what is shown on television, AFAIK. I haven't seen anything on TV that isn't allowed on the forums

[Modest Genius]

well, I was thinking of a dividing line that would allow drawn penises and toplessness, but not genitalia, nor real or simulated sex

edit: glancing through just this thread, kelvin's sig is against the rules as it uses quote tags

[StandingCow]

well, I was thinking of a dividing line that would allow drawn penises and toplessness, but not genitalia, nor real or simulated sex


Hmmm, I am not sure that is doable, I would like to use FA:S's stance on this, "No exposed nipples, genitalia, or suggested sexual acts."


edit: glancing through just this thread, kelvin's sig is against the rules as it uses quote tags

Since we are talking about rule relaxing. Is quote tags something that all of you would like to have kept out of sigs? As long as its not over sized is it ok?

[GusButts]

Hot Pickle Mix says NO!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/429110965_c26e4f9f6d.jpg

[Chunkywheats]

i never understood the quote rule anyway, so I say that is out.


also xhair, HPM will never be your name, so quit going through this internet life crisis and change back

[Noirceur]

Ok guys, as you know, waw is not going to happen, so I felt that some of the rules are no longer needed, as there is really no image to keep up.
What do you mean. The mod isn't on hiatus or anything is it?

[GusButts]

i never understood the quote rule anyway, so I say that is out.


also xhair, HPM will never be your name, so quit going through this internet life crisis and change back

Shut up fatso.

[Lord Kelvin]

edit: glancing through just this thread, kelvin's sig is against the rules as it uses quote tags

It's just taking up, what, 3 lines? That's not that big.

[GusButts]

I'm still on a 640x480 screen reso so it takes up my entire screen.

[Shadow]

lawlz.

[Chunkywheats]

hay guyz can we plz keep dis thread on topik, dis is n0t der Ohtea eff

[MeanPatrick]

I agree with modest about 1A & 1B, though I think that the excessive swearing limitation could be scraped. What about 1F?

Since 3 is all but enforced couldn't we just say "Try not to be took much of an asshole"? Or throw it away all together?

[MeanPatrick]

Hmmm, I am not sure that is doable, I would like to use FA:S's stance on this, "No exposed nipples, genitalia, or suggested sexual acts."

I'll assume that's just for pictures, right?


Since we are talking about rule relaxing. Is quote tags something that all of you would like to have kept out of sigs? As long as its not over sized is it ok?

I personally saw the rule against quotes in the sig as kind of being like zoning & clean-up laws for rednecks, they don't do much.

[PsychoMantis]

No suggested sexual acts?

Damn, I guess the "squid entering cave" picture is never coming back :(.

[StandingCow]

1. In the general case, posts should be at a PG-13 standard. This means:
a. Profanity is allowed, but try not to be excessive.

b. Sexuality

* i. Imagery: No exposed nipples, genitalia.

c. Violent imagery: no violent imagery depicting human corpses or excessive amounts of blood or gore.
d. Illegality:

* i. Casual discussions of drugs and intoxicants are discouraged. If you have something important that you'd like to discuss about these topics, use the Advice or Firebox sections.
* ii. Posting links to or trying to distribute copyrighted material is illegal, and very bad.
* iii. Do not post instructions on how to illegally modify real-life weapons.
* iv. Due to the terms of service from our host, all legalities are based on the laws of Maricopa County, Arizona, USA.

e. General nastiness: no posting imagery of things that are obviously disgusting, like human feces.
f. Racism and misogyny will not be tolerated in any form, in any forum, regardless of intent.
g. The Off-Topic Forum is our benchmark for the most that is acceptable: if it's not allowed there, it's not allowed anywhere.

2. If you have a question about the specific meaning of any of these rules, please ask a moderator first BEFORE posting something questionable.
a. Rules interpretations by the forum staff take precedence, and the interpretations of the administrators are gospel.
b. Some forums have their own set of local rules, be sure to read them.

3. Don't be a jerk to those around you. Unsupported ad hominem attacks are bad, and if you're going out of your way to be insulting we aren't going to tolerate it for very long. Also, if you're doing things that goad people into flaming you, stop.

4. COMMON SENSE:
a. Spamming is bad. This includes posts with lots of blank space, and things like spoiler ziggurats.
b. Taunting or misinforming newbies is bad. Be nice to them, they are part of the community now.
c. If a moderator tells you to stop doing something, stop doing it.
d. Reopening locked threads is bad.
e. Posting for people who've been banned is bad.
f. Recruiting for another mod using the WaW forums is just silly, and not good.

5. Temporary bans will occur if people are breaking these rules. If it becomes a serious problem, permanent bans will ensue. Bans are awarded in progressive levels of seriousness. Temp bans of varying length are used before permabans.
a. Forum staff can be found in #waw_admins on Gamesurge IRC if you have any questions, comments, requests or just generally want to chat. Also, if you want to point out things that we've missed or appeal a mod's decision, #waw_admins is probably the place to do it.
b. Do not register more than one account. Secondary accounts will be banned on sight, and abuse will lead to bans of the main account.
c. "Banned" means "we don't want to hear from that person on the forums any more," not "we're forcing that person to reregister because we want to be annoying."
d. If you are banned and you reregister without being given explicit permission from an administrator to do so, your chances of being unbanned are zero.

6. Sigs: Images in sigs are limited to 415x150 pixels. Filesize limit is 150KB. Please try to keep your sigs to a reasonable size.

[StandingCow]

How is that? Anything else?

I don't want to allow personal attacks, nor talk of drugs.

[Modest Genius]

Hmmm, I am not sure that is doable, I would like to use FA:S's stance on this, "No exposed nipples, genitalia, or suggested sexual acts."but then we get the perennial problem of classical artwork. it's your call.

Since we are talking about rule relaxing. Is quote tags something that all of you would like to have kept out of sigs? As long as its not over sized is it ok?a) my point was that it either needed relaxing or enforcing, not that kelvin's was unreasonable

b) the idea of the rule was to prevent sigs getting too big - I always thought that setting a limit based on AREA and file size was a good idea. I used to warn people if it was taller than 200 pixels, had > 200k of files or was wide enough to cause my browser to need a scroll bar. quote tags aren't bad per se, but they do require more space than, for example, quotes as in my sig.

How is that? Anything else?5 needs to go, 8 is pointless. needs formatting, suggest using [list]

I don't want to allow personal attacks, nor talk of drugs.agreed on both those points.

EDIT: one other related thing - can we get rid on the limit on the number of carriage returns in sigs?

[Wallrod]

I support these changes and more like them.

[RoommateRiot]

Since we are talking about rule relaxing. Is quote tags something that all of you would like to have kept out of sigs? As long as its not over sized is it ok?

YES! I never understood that rule.

[StandingCow]

but then we get the perennial problem of classical artwork. it's your call.

How do we define the difference though? What is art to some may not be to others... that is a tough rule to make and enforce.


a) my point was that it either needed relaxing or enforcing, not that kelvin's was unreasonable

Well, its no longer in the proposed rules list, so it is being relaxed. What about 1 quote per sig?


b) the idea of the rule was to prevent sigs getting too big - I always thought that setting a limit based on AREA and file size was a good idea. I used to warn people if it was taller than 200 pixels, had > 200k of files or was wide enough to cause my browser to need a scroll bar. quote tags aren't bad per se, but they do require more space than, for example, quotes as in my sig.

I really only catch sigs that are obviously out of line anyway...


5 needs to go, 8 is pointless. needs formatting, suggest using [list]

Gone


EDIT: one other related thing - can we get rid on the limit on the number of carriage returns in sigs?

Huh?

[Modest Genius]

How do we define the difference though? What is art to some may not be to others... that is a tough rule to make and enforce.hence why I was suggesting something which, although more permissive, was clear-cut
Huh?it may already be gone, but if you went to the user CP, changed your sig, but put more than 4 or 5 carriage returns in it, it refused to save

[StandingCow]

Well, take a shot at writing a rule that is clear cut.

[Walnut]

How do we define the difference though? What is art to some may not be to others... that is a tough rule to make and enforce.
art from before 1900 = okay? That way we wouldn't run into people trying to get away with hentai..

[Somedude]

Personally, I'd be fine with classic art as long as it was spoiler tagged so as to not get those that browse from work or high traffic areas in trouble. Although, I can't think of much occasion around here where referencing classic art would come up here.

[Noirceur]

How about lemonparty?

[MeanPatrick]

Personally, I'd be fine with classic art as long as it was spoiler tagged so as to not get those that browse from work or high traffic areas in trouble. Although, I can't think of much occasion around here where referencing classic art would come up here.

Would a man on the walls of an ancient roman house with a penis bigger than himself count as classic art?

[StandingCow]

With the whole classic art thing, I guess we could resort to saying, "ask a mod first".

[GusButts]

So I can draw penises?

[StandingCow]

So I can draw penises?

Sure, go ahead.

[GusButts]

8=====D~~~~

: D!

mandix

[StandingCow]

I lied, bant.

[GusButts]

D:











mandix

ALSO; I will ban YOU! for LYING!

[Modest Genius]

note lying isn't against the rules ;)

[GusButts]

Being british is against the rules though.

[StandingCow]

Any last thoughts before these go live? As far as the nudity vs art thing goes, I am going to have to make it ask the mods first. No other way I can think of.

[Daywalker]

I'm assuming using words like faggot, gay, homo etc is ok now?

[StandingCow]

Gay and homo are already used here I think, and I tend to overlook them... faggot is a bit more harsh. But unless anyone has an issue with it, I wont go out of my way to punish someone for it.

New rules:

1. In the general case, posts should be at a PG-13 standard. This means:
a. Profanity is allowed, but try not to be excessive.

b. Sexuality

* i. Imagery: No exposed nipples, genitalia.

c. Violent imagery: no violent imagery depicting human corpses or excessive amounts of blood or gore.

d. Illegality:
* i. Casual discussions of drugs and intoxicants are discouraged. If you have something important that you'd like to discuss about these topics, use the Advice or Firebox sections.
* ii. Posting links to or trying to distribute copyrighted material is illegal, and very bad.
* iii. Do not post instructions on how to illegally modify real-life weapons.
* iv. Due to the terms of service from our host, all legalities are based on the laws of Maricopa County, Arizona, USA.

e. General nastiness: no posting imagery of things that are obviously disgusting, like human feces.
f. Racism and misogyny will not be tolerated in any form, in any forum, regardless of intent.
g. The Off-Topic Forum is our benchmark for the most that is acceptable: if it's not allowed there, it's not allowed anywhere.

2. If you have a question about the specific meaning of any of these rules, please ask a moderator first BEFORE posting something questionable.
a. Rules interpretations by the forum staff take precedence, and the interpretations of the administrators are gospel.
b. Some forums have their own set of local rules, be sure to read them.

3. Don't be a jerk to those around you. Unsupported ad hominem attacks are bad, and if you're going out of your way to be insulting we aren't going to tolerate it for very long. Also, if you're doing things that goad people into flaming you, stop.

4. COMMON SENSE:
a. Spamming is bad. This includes posts with lots of blank space, and things like spoiler ziggurats.
b. Taunting or misinforming newbies is bad. Be nice to them, they are part of the community now.
c. If a moderator tells you to stop doing something, stop doing it.
d. Reopening locked threads is bad.
e. Posting for people who've been banned is bad.

5. Temporary bans will occur if people are breaking these rules. If it becomes a serious problem, permanent bans will ensue. Bans are awarded in progressive levels of seriousness. Temp bans of varying length are used before permabans.
a. Forum staff can be found in #waw_admins on Gamesurge IRC if you have any questions, comments, requests or just generally want to chat. Also, if you want to point out things that we've missed or appeal a mod's decision, #waw_admins is probably the place to do it.
b. Do not register more than one account. Secondary accounts will be banned on sight, and abuse will lead to bans of the main account.
c. "Banned" means "we don't want to hear from that person on the forums any more," not "we're forcing that person to reregister because we want to be annoying."
d. If you are banned and you reregister without being given explicit permission from an administrator to do so, your chances of being unbanned are zero.

6. Sigs: Images in sigs are limited to 415x150 pixels. Filesize limit is 150KB. Please try to keep your sigs to a reasonable size.

[MeanPatrick]

What exactly was changed? :p

[Noirceur]

Well, this was basically SC saying "we have fewer and fewer mods with fewer and fewer hours and a dead mod so we can't really enforce the rules anyway so I'm going to act like I'm being cool" :p.

[FaKToR]

8=====D~~~~ :o

: D!

mandix

Dixed.

[StandingCow]

Well, this was basically SC saying "we have fewer and fewer mods with fewer and fewer hours and a dead mod so we can't really enforce the rules anyway so I'm going to act like I'm being cool" :p.

I can just forget the whole thing if you want. We can keep enforcing the old rules, it doesn't matter to me.

The reason I figured this needed to be done was because the forums have no real purpose anymore, there is no image to keep up since the mod is not happening. And that is the reason for the current rules, to keep a decent image.

[Noirceur]

I can just forget the whole thing if you want. We can keep enforcing the old rules, it doesn't matter to me.
Just kidding...

[StandingCow]

Just kidding...

I think the first drawn penis should be on Noirceur's face. d:D

[HarryB]

I don't know why you don't just up the standard like every other site and have a "You must be 18 or above to enter this forum", and have it ignored like every other site. Everyone wins.

[MeanPatrick]

I don't know why you don't just up the standard like every other site and have a "You must be 18 or above to enter this forum", and have it ignored like every other site. Everyone wins.

Because that is stupid and gay, and you are stupid and gay for suggesting such a stupid and gay idea. :p

[GusButts]

Shut up faggot

[Scraps]

Shut up faggot

QFE

[DasHuhn]

I can just forget the whole thing if you want. We can keep enforcing the old rules, it doesn't matter to me.

The reason I figured this needed to be done was because the forums have no real purpose anymore, there is no image to keep up since the mod is not happening. And that is the reason for the current rules, to keep a decent image.
Then why are we keeping the "do not talk about drugs"?

[Daemas]

you guys are all copying faggots. I started all this "Let's draw peni again" you guys owe royalties

in spermon my face

[MeanPatrick]

you guys are all copying faggots. I started all this "Let's draw peni again" you guys owe royalties

I was drawing penises before you even got here, boy-uh. I was drawning penises on my penis! Time paradox?

[Daemas]

Pime Taradox?

[StandingCow]

Then why are we keeping the "do not talk about drugs"?

Because, it is against the law and could get the hosting cut off.

[DasHuhn]

Because, it is against the law and could get the hosting cut off.

Discussing illegal acts is not illegal - the illegal act itself is what is illegal.

[StandingCow]

Discussing illegal acts is not illegal - the illegal act itself is what is illegal.

I am not a lawyer, but couldn't discussing be intent?

Regardless, I have strong personal feelings against illegal drugs, so I don't even want it allowed. And I know I am not the only one that feels the same way.

If swat wants to over-ride my decision, thats fine, but I am going to stick to no.

[Feanaro]

peni

"It says 'Romans Go Home!'"

"No it doesn't."

DECLENSIONS MOTHERFUCKA, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THEM?

The proper Latin plural is Penes. Really. Octipodes and Clitorides, while we are at it.

[RoommateRiot]

"It says 'Romans Go Home!'"

"No it doesn't."

DECLENSIONS MOTHERFUCKA, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THEM?

The proper Latin plural is Penes. Really. Octipodes and Clitorides, while we are at it.

Your sig reminds me of Tom Waits. I like that.

[Daemas]

"It says 'Romans Go Home!'"

"No it doesn't."

DECLENSIONS MOTHERFUCKA, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THEM?

The proper Latin plural is Penes. Really. Octipodes and Clitorides, while we are at it.

fuck you too... latin knowing motherfucker :(

<3

[Scraps]

I'm going back to making 10 fucking useless threads a day for no reason. :) :)

fixed

[Noirceur]

I think the first drawn penis should be on Noirceur's face. d:D
Well...I've never drunkenly passed out with my shoes on, but maybe you'll get lucky.

[StandingCow]

ok, back to the OTF with you all!