Tactical Pistols

[HK`]

I am looking into buy a pistol at the end of the year. If any of you all have any suggestions post up some links, however, (lol) I'm on 56K right now so don't overload with attachments and shit. I want to spend around 1000, but i don't want to spend it unless i need to lol...

I was looking at a H&K USP Tactical in .40 S&W or a Sig P226 or 225.

[Captain Colon]

Glock :)

[gYmBaG]

ive always liked the XD pistols from springfield. i dunno why, but ive always liked them

[Towelie]

I strongly suggest finding a way to rent one before you buy it, if you want a USP. The ergonomics are for... how do you say... ah yes... wookies. Unless you have large hands, it's just not gonna feel right. I dont mean it'll feel way too big, it just wont be comfortable to fire.

SIGs are very fine handguns. I'd highly recommend a P226 or P220.

[HK`]

My dad has a Sig P226 and it fits my hand almost perfectly. I am taking a tactical pistol course at the end of the month, i'm sure i will beable to test a couple different kinds of guns. Only after that will i make a decession.

I want to stick with .40 S&W caliber and full size. From all the guns i've looked at there are not many to choose from lol.

Here are a few that i have been looking at but i won't know until i feel and shoot them.

Beretta G96 / Elite II
H&K USP / Tactical
Springfield Armory XD Tactical (They have alot of customizations on there website but you have to send it back to IL to have them done and it doesn't come cheap)
Glocks (I have shot glocks before i don't really like them)
Some Kimbers (alittle pricey for me)
SigArms P22x

Throw some more guns into the mix if you all can think of any.

[SWATJester_os]

I own a p228 and I absolutely love it....I have small hands though.

[HK`]

You know what they say about small hands :D I think i still want to go with .40 S&w But i'm still looking

[Shadow]

the RAAF use GLOCKs and BHP/SA 9x19mm's. We were on exercise with the Kiwis, and they brought over some of their Sig Sauer P226s. Very nice weapon, and personally I prefer it over the GLOCK and BHP. Never dealt with .40S&W, but from what I've heard about it from some reservists in 1AFDS whom are police officers in New South Wales and Queensland state police forces (and the first Australian state police forces to use semi-autos), they're a reasonable personal defence calibre, but they say they'd never use it as a tactical weapon, because it lacks the stopping power to be effective.

Is this weapon for your own personal defence, or for work purposes?

[HK`]

Well, I live the by the Work hard, Play hard philophy. Its going to be more of a plinking around gun. I am taking a tactical pistol course at the end of these month and i don't own any pistols yet so i figured its time to get one for myself. I don't want to buy a cheap piece of shit that i won't have my entire life. I would rather spend the money upfront and keep the gun forever. Just trying to get oter peoples opinions

[Karaya1]

I own a p228 and I absolutely love it....I have small hands though.
I also own the P228. It's a damn nice gun. Felt a little 'thick' with hogue's, but with the stock grips i love it.
Damn accurate, reliable pistol. I've sent 2k down range so far and have never had one hiccup. I would also like some formal training with the pistol though, would do me wonders. I am taking a tactical response rifle course in october and there is a little pistol shooting done there i believe, but i would love to take a course dedicated to the pistol.
I've heard a lot of people swear by having a rail on their pistol for a light. The 228 has no rail, but the 229 does.
I'd say the two best 9mm's are the Sig p22x series or the Glock 17/19. I fired an XD9 and a USP in .45 at my range and the XD9 IMO is outclassed by the glock and the HK i just straight out didn'T like. Didn'T feel right, trigger was crap compared to a SIG and i couldn't shoot it as well. I've thought about switching the p228 for a G19, but since i shoot both about the same and am pretty used to the 228 i will probably stick with it. The G19 would be easier to carry i think and i am kind of a fan of the constant trigger pull though.
In .40 again, i'd go with the Glock or the Sig offering, whatever you prefer. Obviously the glock is a lot cheaper.
I love glocks and sigs both, i don't think you can make a wrong choice between the two.

[Gumpokc]

There's some good suggestions here, but here's two more.
If you want to stay in the .40S&W the Taurus PT101 and Steyr M40 are both good weapons.

The Pt101 is a direct knockoff of the beretta 92, rechambered for .40S&W made under license and on beretta by Taurus in brazil.
2/3's the price of the beretta, one o fthe best warrenties there is, and just generally a decent pistol. I have one i bought in early '92, has 10-12k rounds through it and it is still running strong.

The M40 i picked up a little over a year ago. It takes a little getting used too, but is a very nice little pistol. about 2k rounds through it so far.

[The WOOO Meister]

Someone remind me what makes any of the above mentioned guns (or any unmentioned ones) "tactical," aside from using the word in stupid marketing taglines?

[theubc]

H&K usp FTW

[GoatChomper]

Someone remind me what makes any of the above mentioned guns (or any unmentioned ones) "tactical,".....
It's like obscenity.....you can't define it, but you dang well know it when you see it.

It call it any serious pistol that's neither designed for concealed-carry nor loaded all to hell and gone with features that are useless outside the kabuki theater called IPSC.....and they damned well should have removed the P from that decades ago.

[Kak]

Mk23 SOCOM

I have Wookie hands.

[Shadow]

hahaha the most expensive tactical in the world... :)

[Heavyarms_Custom]

if you want a good pistol go with the gock 17 or 17c i know a x sheriff and he is know one of the most honohed pistol trainers for my state and he tells me to go with a springfield XD and say all others besides the 1911 is crap. but i am going to go with the h&k usp 45 acp match it is over 1000 bucks but lucky my uncle is a dealer and master gunsmith had one in stock and trust me i didn't pass that chance up. i shot the 45 usp match and i say it is a beautiful gun i loved it but the h&k usp tactical i guess would be fine never tried it though the problem with the mk23 i did want it is its to long and 2 grand i can buy two usps for that price i'll the mk 23 to the mitary

[Shadow]

Heavyarms, mate, you want the USP Match, you want the M82-A1 and the SSG3000.

Quite a few of us here are avid experienced shooters and even some of us are in the armed forces.

Yes, GLOCKs are nice, because you can abuse the shit out of them and they still work, but they aren't so good as a tactical pistol (except obviously the GLOCK 18). To your comment about the Springfield XD - It's quite literally a repackaged GLOCK with modern-age 1911 features (ie. forward checkering on the slide, beavertail grip safety etc.)

To say that anything other than a 1911-frame pistol is crap is an extremely biased comment. Berettas are a very good, reliable sidearm, and next to it is the more expensive Sig Sauer P22x range. Pistols are a last resort weapon - even in law enforcement. They don't need to blow holes the size of the grand canyon in someone - the weapon only needs to incapacitate the offender/opponent/enemy.

I do believe that HK` was talking about a Tactical pistol, so where did the USP Match come into the equation? The USP Match is a competition pistol, and is in no way a law enforcement/military firearm.

Indeed, the MARK 23 is priced between US$2000-2300. The MK23 Mod 0 is the US Special Operations Command pistol. There are very slight differences, but differences they are. You cannot purchase a MK23 Mod 0.

[Wallrod]

Heavyarms, please save your chairborne warrior experiences for the pokemon forums.

[Karaya1]

Well, I live the by the Work hard, Play hard philophy. Its going to be more of a plinking around gun. I am taking a tactical pistol course at the end of these month and i don't own any pistols yet so i figured its time to get one for myself. I don't want to buy a cheap piece of shit that i won't have my entire life. I would rather spend the money upfront and keep the gun forever. Just trying to get oter peoples opinions

Quite a few of the answers your probably getting from this forum are coming from people who have probably never touched the gun they are recommending and prehaps have no pistol experience anyway. I point the finger at the HK crowd mainly. Fuck HK. Granted there are also quite a few people here that do know their shit.
With your mindset a Glock 19 or 17 would be damn near perfect. There is no questioning a Glocks durability and reliability. With the tennifer finish on the Glock it assures you will never have problems in that respect. Glocks function perfectly. Sig would be another good choice. I believe they are every bit as good functionally wise as a glock with a slight advantage in accuracy and a slight disadvantage in followup shots, the glock allows IMO for more rapid fire as the trigger reset is shorter. The sig isnt bad in this respect, hell its way better than the USP IMHO. SIGS feel slightly better in my hand so that is why i use a P228. The only downside of the sig i could imagine is the finish. Nitron or a blue finish is inferior to tennifer. I am a pretty big sig fanboi and i wont argue that one at all. Your sig will definantly show more wear over the years than your glock will. Function will be fine though. I think the Glock and Sig are just on different levels then the USP or XD series.

If you are considering a NIB glock against a NIB sig and are on any kind of a budget there is really no choice but to go with the glock if you consider both of them as close as i do. You could get a NIB glock with several magazines a nightsights for the price of a P229R or P226R. I assume you might want a rail. If not, they are a bit cheaper.
Used Certified sigs can be quite a deal though. I bought my P228 for $540.
It was LNIB with supposidly about 100 rounds through it. It came with 12, yes 12 magazines. 3 full factory 13 round mags, 7 klinton 10 round factory sig mags and 2 10 round Mec-Gar (they make the mags for sig anyway) mags. Most of the mags were in their packaging and the finish was completely mint on the gun and the barrel looked completely new.
I've learned when you are going to the range, you can never have enough magazines. Having 129 rounds loaded up in mags is fucking great.

I know you mentioned the P225, its a great gun, but why? A Euro mag release and single stack 9mm doesnt make sense to me. If you have small hands then yes, its great. A P228 is it'S newer, meaner brother. Double stack with the American mag release. 13+1 capacity with SIG mags and if you get the Mec-Gar flush fit 15 rounders you have the same capacity as the Glock19 with flush fits.

I am going to end this lengthy rambling post with this.
I think you should get a Glock 19, shit loads of mags and night sights.
If you don't like that idea you should get a nib or maybe a used factory certified Sig P226, P228 or P229 and a lot of magazines. Look at your needs for a light. It doesnt need to be attached to the gun.

Bravo on taking the pistol course. That will be a ton of help. You will be miles ahead of 95% of the people out there. I'd say spend about 600 on your setup and take another tactical pistol course, why not? your training is far more important than your gear. After the first class you might change your mind on what fits you for a weapon also.

Glock
Sig

edited to fix a bit of my butchering of the English language.

[Heavyarms_Custom]

i may be 16 but i dosen't mean i haven't test shot pistols and riflesi have shot all the way up to 50 ae desert egale and 223 rem ar -15 and unlike some of you i would use the usp match for tactical use but thats me

[gYmBaG]

even though its not so different from the regular 1911 colt gov, the new MEU-SOC 1911 from Unertl is freakin hot, made for the Marines, i think its one of the hottest .45's out there

[Skyler]

All the way up to the amazingly high recoil .223?! Woah, you sure just gained everyone's acceptance here!

[Gumpokc]

Karaya1,

I am just curious, the info you posted was good, but where do you live that allows an 18 year old to buy/own a handgun?

[gYmBaG]

seriously, im sure they are some states i think? ( lol i have to wait 2 more years till i can get a handgun :( but im saving up to get a rifle, but are there seriously any states that alow 18 year olds to own a handgun?

[CT]

You really have to define your use of tactical. And dont be so heartset on the .40. The .45 and 9mm are both more common, both are proven. Both will most assuredly put holes in your targets, and are able to incapacitate most people. They will also do it at a much lower price point.

The best advice that can be offered: Open your mind, then go shoot a few. Find the one you like, and put an additional 50 or 100 rounds through it. A good idea is to eyeball a few local officers, and see what they are fielding. I have seen Sig p228s, Springfield XD tacticals, glocks of various flavors, and even a few 1911s (not a good choice for carry, but find out what you think for yourself.)

Ask yourself, VERY honestly, what are you going to use this firearm for? If you are plinking, get something that is cheap to shoot. If you a concealed carry, then make sure you can carry it for 8 hours, and you can conceal it. If you are going to shoot competition, then get an accuratized competition pistol.

Get the right tool for the job, ask the experts. Talk to the instructors at the tactical pistol class. Then, check up on them, test the firearm they recommend, 50 rounds, MINIMUM. Make sure its waht you want. Spend 100 learning about it before you spend 1000 on it.

For a quick reference, the following are not experts: The internet, all inclusive. The weed behind the counter at the gun store. ANYONE YOU MEET AT THE RANGE. Anyone under the age of 21 (in the US, they are not even legally allowed to HOLD a handgun without parental permission). Probabaly anyone who IS 21. And for damn sure, not anyone in this forum. There are crdible people in here, somewhere, I am sure, but they could be the CS player who took daddys [insert firearm here] out shooting at the burn barrel with Bubba and Cooter.

Yes, I was a police officer, and I went to Blackwater, but I am not gonna tell you what firearm to get. Only YOU can decide that, but get some guidance, from a pprofessional, who you KNOW is a professional.

Edit: Mental note, proofread.

Edit: A handgun is a VERY personal decision. Look at the piece of finely crafted and engineered steel, look at the person who is selling it to you. Look at the person who recommended it. Can you trust your lives to them? If you can, then you can trust that firearm in your hands. if not, then you better keep that thing on the range until it has proven itself. And even if you DO trust them, I would put a few hundred rounds through it before I even trusted it to defend my tomatoes, let alone my life and the lives of my family.

[Shadow]

Heavyarms, if you'd use a USP45 Match for a tactical pistol, you're an idiot.
Why? Because the match barrel extension has ridges that could catch, and you have no real possibility to attach a suppressor. To say that you would use anything 'tactical' at the age of 16 is an oxymoron in itself. What sort of 'tactical' situations are you going to be involved in?

.223 Remington is nothing to be proud of. 14 year old kids in the Australian Defence Force Cadets can fire that out of an automatic F88 Austeyr...

So, how was your arms after you fired the .50AE at age 16? heavy? sore? 1.9kg of weapon t put nice big holes in someone is ridiculous...the days of Dirty Harry are over, there is no tactical value in a Desert Eagle...it's big, heavy (1.9kg), and has no suppressor capability.

My advice to you, HK`, on your course, i'm sure you'll get to handle or even operate a few different firearms. In that time, identify what you like about each weapon and weigh up the differences that could be tactically superior or inferior. You'll soon find a firearm you'll like and presto! :)

[Heavyarms_Custom]

you know what im gonna shut up because i really don't care about stuff and my state has forbiddin silencers so im outta luck

[GoatChomper]

There is no questioning a Glocks durability and reliability.
Oh, yes there is. Within five years of adopting the Glock 22 most of the San Antonio PD's issued weapons had been through the department armorer shop to replace the slide latch.

And forget about using +P loads in the 20 or other models retrofitted with Glock's proprietary polygonal-rifled barrels.....unsupported rims caused too many blowouts to ignore.
Anyone under the age of 21 (in the US, they are not even legally allowed to HOLD a handgun without parental permission).
Uhh, no.

[Shadow]

you know what im gonna shut up because i really don't care about stuff and my state has forbiddin silencers so im outta luck

There you go again - your state has restricted suppressors. Law enforcement can still use them for tactical purposes. We're talking about the Tactical Applications of pistols - not "buy because I look mad with a tactical sidearm".

[CT]

Uhh, no.

A simple search of packing.org shows that the minimum age to purchase a handgun is 21, EVEN IF IT IS GIFTED. This is a FEDERAL LAW. So, unless you are 21, you cannot own a handgun. By proxy, you must have permission of the owner to handle or use the firearm. I am willing to bet, that 95% of the time, the owner of the firearm is a parent. :) The point made is still valid. If you are under 21, your practical experince with a handgun would be limited to the firing range.

[gYmBaG]

A simple search of packing.org shows that the minimum age to purchase a handgun is 21, EVEN IF IT IS GIFTED. This is a FEDERAL LAW. So, unless you are 21, you cannot own a handgun. By proxy, you must have permission of the owner to handle or use the firearm. I am willing to bet, that 95% of the time, the owner of the firearm is a parent. :) The point made is still valid. If you are under 21, your practical experince with a handgun would be limited to the firing range.
you better watch out, no offense to the admins here, but i got in a big fight on the fa forums about this, my dad wanted to get me a handgun, but not really give it to me,he would have kept it, and when we go to the range, or out to the desert, he would have let me fire it. admins took it the wrong way and thought i was "breaking a law" even though laws say you cannot own, or buy a handgun under 21. but anyways just watch what you say, they will probably delete our post like they did to mine a couple months back

[Karaya1]

Karaya1,

I am just curious, the info you posted was good, but where do you live that allows an 18 year old to buy/own a handgun?

Own yes. I live in Wyoming (Germany ATM) or Arizona depending on the time of the year. My Parents 'bought' the gun. In Wyoming an 18 yr old can own/carry a handgun. In Wyoming an 18 yr old can also buy a handgun through private sales and rent them at the range. Not sure on the rules in Arizona as much, but they can't be much different. For example, a friend of mine bought a Glock through a newspaper ad. Face to face in state sale. No FFL needed, 18 is A-OK.

[Karaya1]

I forgot to add in Wyoming we also issue CCW to 18 year olds. You just have to write a letter to the sherrif and have him approve it. As long as you don'T have a rap sheet and you are a good kid, it gets approved. Open carry is allowed w/out a permit for an 18 year old.
I open carry frequently in a Safariland 070 SIII holster. I am buddy's with a few LEO'S around my town (Dated one of their daughters) and they obviously know my age and they have seen me open carrying. Never was an issue.

No idea where the poster above got the idea that a 18 yr old couldnt have a pistol, and he was an LEO?

[CT]

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/FederalGunLaws.aspx?ID=60

Ineligible Persons

The following classes of people are ineligible to possess, receive, ship, or transport firearms or ammunition:

* Those convicted of crimes punishable by imprisonment for over one year, except state misdemeanors punishable by two years or less.
* Fugitives from justice.
* Unlawful users of certain depressant, narcotic, or stimulant drugs.
* Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution.
* Illegal aliens.
* Citizens who have renounced their citizenship.
* Those persons dishonorably discharged from the Armed Forces.
* Persons less than 18 years of age for the purchase of a shotgun or rifle.
* Persons less than 21 years of age for the purchase of a firearm that is other than a shotgun or rifle.
* Persons subject to a court order that restrains such persons from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner.
* Persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

Letter of the federal law. Also, you had parental permission, and it was not your firearm. If the officers knew you had parental permission (for example, implied by the holding of a CCW) then they wouldnt care, just as I did. Feel free to ask any of your LE buddies. If you friend was under 21, then he violated the law, as these rules apply to FTF transactions too.

[HK`]

My dad is going to buy it for me (You HAVE to be 21 to own a pistol in FL) he has a concealed weapon permit.... I'm up in IL right now... You can't even touch a gun here. I am taking the coarse on Wed. I will have alot of different guns to shoot so i will tell you what i like. sorry my typing isn't very good. I have lost half of the skin on my ring finger on my right hand ( I'm not going to go into details) so i dont know how much fun its going to be since i'm going to be bleeding the whole time :( but we shall see talk to you all then

[Gumpokc]

As Hadaken stated, no person under the age of 21, in the united states, may buy/own a handgun, not legally anyway.

I find it rather interesting that Wyoming does indeed issue CCW's to people that cannot legally own the item the permit is for though.

[Shadow]

HK`, have fun mate. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. ;)

[GoatChomper]

A simple search of packing.org shows that the minimum age to purchase a handgun is 21, EVEN IF IT IS GIFTED.
Take another look at your post.....
Anyone under the age of 21 (in the US, they are not even legally allowed to HOLD a handgun without parental permission).
I assume you confused HOLD with a legally-defined state of posession.

[vecdran]

And for damn sure, not anyone in this forum. There are crdible people in here, somewhere, I am sure, but they could be the CS player who took daddys [insert firearm here] out shooting at the burn barrel with Bubba and Cooter.

Hadaken, how much time have you seriously spent in the weapons forum? You do realize there are people here who are in the firearms MANUFACTURING industry, load their own ammo, have 10+ firearms, and compete in shooting competitions? Several of the people here are also retired soldiers and police officers. Please, I thought you were smarter than this.

you know what im gonna shut up because i really don't care about stuff and my state has forbiddin silencers so im outta luck
Do yourself a favor, go retake third grade English, age about four years, and go shoot some real firearms.

[Milkman Dan]

I'm up in IL right now... You can't even touch a gun here. I am taking the coarse on Wed.
It's not that hard to get a FOID card in Illinois. Are you taking the hunter's safety course? I assume that's because you want to hunt, because I'm pretty sure that it's not required for a FOID card.

[CT]

Hadaken, how much time have you seriously spent in the weapons forum? You do realize there are people here who are in the firearms MANUFACTURING industry, load their own ammo, have 10+ firearms, and compete in shooting competitions? Several of the people here are also retired soldiers and police officers. Please, I thought you were smarter than this.


I am 'smarter than this,' and I know who is who here. I can name a few whom I know personally. If you read what you quoted, I say there are some knowledgable persons here. I am simply saying that he doesn’t necessarily know someone who is blowing smoke from a true expert. I know several people who own dozens of firearms, reload their own, and are GREAT bench shooters. That doesn’t mean that they will know squat about tactical shooting. :)

Point is moot; he really has the info he needs.

Recap:

Get some advice from a few people you can verify are experts, then go shoot a few of their recommendations before you decide to buy. Remember, be honest to yourself. Is it for plinking, defense, or target shooting? Get the right tool for the right type of shooting.

Edit: Damn, I sure can butcher the English language.

[waktasz]

I'm totally done with experimenting/pretending that double action/safe action is as good as a nice single action trigger. Plan accordingly.

[CT]

I'm totally done with experimenting/pretending that double action/safe action is as good as a nice single action trigger. Plan accordingly.

I sometimes get heat for it, but my concealed carry is a 5" Govt Model 1911 1070XSE in stainless steel. I carry it cocked and locked (condition 1) 8+1 in either an inside belt or shoulder holster. Its far too large for an IWB holster. I totally agree. Single action is better. Regular trigger pull results in much better shot placement. This better placement makes me confident that my 'measly' 9 rounds of big .45 are more than enough to discourage a group of persons.

http://donut.xaled.com/files/O1070XSE.jpg
Not a picture of mine, but totally identical. Mine has some character marks, evidinced below. Yes, it has an idiot mark, it only takes one slipup. But that doesnt hurt its accuracy or effectiveness

http://donut.xaled.com/files/RIM00009.JPG

[Kak]

i m guna get a deagle i rox w/ dem in cs n i use em all da tiem so i no all abut dem i wil prolly get mad headshots irl too lol




What makes the Mk23 so expensive. It can't just be its size. I heard the USP .45 can match it and in some cases outperform it. Why the huge price gap?

[CT]

Because availability of the mk23 on the civvie market is VERY limited.

[Elwood]

I'm very happy with my 9mm sig 226.

[Shadow]

I'm very happy with my 9mm sig 226.

I only wish that the Australian Government didn't get so stringent on the Firearms Laws, otherwise I'd own one too! :D

I've said before that when I was on exercise with the RNZAF, they had some of theirs along, and we had a play and I thought that they are are great weapon. In fact, I can shoot better with a 226 than I can with the BHP and the GLOCK 17!

[HK`]

I just got done shooting about 2 hours ago, i learned a ton of shit. I am shooting a Colt Combat Commander .45 and i really like it. Just really saftely and taught us how to tac load and speed load alot of cool shit. I think Single action is the way to go. Two of the guys out there had Brand new Kimber Tactical Pro II and they both seem to be having Ejecting problems... (The one guys gun was jamming up on him every second shot.) So i don't think i'm get one until they correct the problem. I will tell you more shit tomorrow after we do some fun shit :D. I did get one Wierd ass jam but it was with a Kimber .45 mag in... it was just really wierd...

[IchWarriorMkII]

I'm very happy with my 9mm sig 226.


How big is the 226? Aside from the physical measurements, does it fit in your hand well?

I can't decide if a 229 or 226 in .357 should be my uber want to have gun...

[Elwood]

226 fits my hand like a dream. You're teeny like me, right?

[[Political] Slayer]

How do one of them cost?

[IchWarriorMkII]

226 fits my hand like a dream. You're teeny like me, right?


Indeed. How is the weight? I dunno if you pack it around on a holster or not... but I need to find something at least a little lighter than my 6" Python behemouth.

[HK`]

How big is the 226? Aside from the physical measurements, does it fit in your hand well?

I can't decide if a 229 or 226 in .357 should be my uber want to have gun...

I got a pretty small (but fat) hand and it feets me pretty good. There is no difference in the .40 S&W and .357 Sig as far as mags go (They say ".40 S&W (Next Line) .357 Sig") .357 is alittle smaller but has the same powder as a .40 does so it really doesn't matter. I like the feel of the P226, however i've never shot a P229 (I have handled one Its Springfield City's Police standard issue where my uncle is a cop. It has the same exact feel i couldn't tell the difference BUT it could've been a 229 i can't remember.)

I like single action gun so far because theres alot less shit on them... there are no decockers or STIFF ASS Slide locks like my dad's P226. Well, i will tell you what i learn tomorrow and see if i don't get to use anymore guns before i make my discestion.

The wieght of the gun isn't that important they are all within a half-pound of each other its about the balance of the gun in your hand

[Elwood]

Indeed. How is the weight? I dunno if you pack it around on a holster or not... but I need to find something at least a little lighter than my 6" Python behemouth.


Not too bad. I wore it all day on horseback a couple times and it didn't bother me. I really like it, I'm definately very happy with my purchase. I like it way more than the 229. Not as concealable, but it feels more like a real handgun, you know?

[IchWarriorMkII]

Since I have 3 years till I can even ponder CCW, I shouldn't vest too much interest in a conceable handgun.... even then Ill need a J Frame, I can't hide shit on my skinny ass. /me makes note of 226 as must have gun for IchiWan

[Elwood]

I can't even conceal it vertically under my arm, I'm too skinny as well. lame.

[SWATJester_os]

This thread has served its lifespan.

There ARE people on these forums who are credible sources for information on firearms, just as there are those on arfcom, lightfighter, etc. You just have to know who they are, and for those "in the biz" so to speak, there are very definately ways to vette them. Chairborne Strangers get found out eventually, every time.

Not to make this a pissing contest but if you want quality gun advice, for a civilian weapon/handloading, you can trust Uglygun, Ichwarrior, Goatchomper, Idiotking, and any of the guys working at cavalry arms (sinistralrifleman, Garry Owen who I don't think has registered, and TheFNG.)

For military information, and some other basic civilian ownership stuff, you're going to want to check the military roster for anyone who is ACTIVELY serving, or is a vet, not a DEP.

Furthermore, Hadaken, gymbag and everyone else involved in the argument earlier: possession is NOT the same thing as ownership. Possession refers to who is holding it, Ownership refers to who is the owner of the gun i.e. who it is registered to, payed for it, etc....ownership AND possession rules may vary state by state, but it is my knowledge that in many states possession of a firearm, including handguns, is legal for someone under 21. (or 18). Otherwise how could fathers teach their kids how to hunt and shoot? That is a time-honored american tradition.

[GoatChomper]

Just a small proviso.....I shoot, hunt, and carry, but I do not load. You people will have to take handloading questions to the others mentioned above.