Fuck you

[Afro Joe]

I'd just like to get this off my chest.

I've been falling on hard times lately. Yeah, it happens. And I've always had you guys around to dick around with which always made me feel better. But things have changed and this place now has such a shitty fucking atmosphere.

Anyway I don't know how to wrap this up, but fuck you. I know I shouldn't be making such a big deal over stuff on the internet, but it was really all I had left.

[MeanPatrick]

:(

3char-chastity-belt

[Somedude]

Where's this place headed?


arewethereyetarewethereyetarewethereyetarewetherey etarewethereyetarewethereyet?

[Sturmwehr]

Also when you factor in that there's been a lot of apparent bias in the moderation here lately (which I don't really think should be discussed publically) and I'm not the ONLY person here that thinks that...

Would that happen to be the same individual that became a complete and utter douche bag after becoming a moderator?

[MeanPatrick]

I don't know, I just don't think me and Joe are the only two people here that are kind of like, "So..... what's left?"


You aren't, almost everyone on in the OTF was like that for the first two mouths the iamtard thing happened and fucked the OTF over forever. but after a few mouths of bitching and nothing happening we all got frustrated and starting acting like assholes just (IMO) to spite the admins who wanted the forums to be all cuddley and cute for newcomers instead of just for the people who faught their way through the xenophobic wall.

[killerfluffy]

Would that happen to be the same individual that became a complete and utter douche bag after becoming a moderator?

You can name me, its cool. For the record though, I've always been a douche bag. And quite frankly, because of all the bitching thats been going on from you guys about me, I've been letting Cow, RR or Somedude do most of the moderating.

If you have an issue with what I did to Joe's threads, feel free to bring it up. But don't be little bitches and beat around the bush, if you've got an issue, step up and let it out.

[MeanPatrick]

So the new rules are be nice to the newbies but douchebags to eachother? :D

:kak:
I believe the slight emancipation of our people was an attempt to undo the damage that the backfire of the post-iamtard rules sparked. But that would require that the admins & mods actually gave a damn.

[killerfluffy]

Eh, I'm gonna be honest, most of moderation is pretty damn impartial, and a lot of things I delete/edit because they're against the rules. Not because of my own personal feelings.

I'll admit, freely, that I've fucked up now and again. But if its been out of line another mod has either A) corrected me or B) fixed it and given me shit about it. But with that said, the evolution thread I fucked up in, but it did spark a debate in the moderator forum which resulted in a change to the dynamics of how the firebox works, so in the end, my fuck up had some good come from it.

[MeanPatrick]

You can't start a thread anywhere without it turning political.

Military, A&D, OTF... doesn't matter. Whole God damn place should just say "Firebox". You'd think you could post your opinion somewhere without it turning into a heated debate outside the Firebox, but no... you can't... I understand a lot of us have gotten older and to the point that you don't agree with everyone on everything, but it seems that no one can agree to disagree or just learn to mind their own fucking business.
That's partially because people's comments have more barbs in them now, and partially because people can't take a joke.

[killerfluffy]

I don't have an issues with Joe's threads in particular, just your moderation in general. I like you fluff, but I just don't agree with most of what you've been doing. It seems like when you DO moderate, it's only in threads where people say things contrary to your opinions or against people you agree with.... then when other people violate said rules, you don't do anything about it. I've pointed this out before, and it's nothing new. There' just nothing 'fair' or 'impartial' about your moderating. I'd say the biggest problem was probably brought about by the God damn firebox. Since we've allowed to let politics take a foothold in this forum it's ruined the entire place.


You can't start a thread anywhere without it turning political.

Military, A&D, OTF... doesn't matter. Whole God damn place should just say "Firebox". You'd think you could post your opinion somewhere without it turning into a heated debate outside the Firebox, but no... you can't... I understand a lot of us have gotten older and to the point that you don't agree with everyone on everything, but it seems that no one can agree to disagree or just learn to mind their own fucking business.

Rabbit, you can't see half the moderation that goes on, but you can see everything thats been done to you, so I imagine that you would definitely feel that way, and I understand that. But I'm going to reiterate that I do moderate impartially as best I am able, even when that means deleting posts that I might agree with, or sending warnings/infractions to people that I like or agree with.

But you can't fault the moderation for what the forums have turned into. You guys are the ones posting not me, for the most part I post about 1/4 to 1/10 as much as some of you. If you're looking for someone to lay a blame for the condition of the forums on, well, dude, look at the posters. :(

[killerfluffy]

Well that depends on what you define as good, I now know the next time a thread spirals out of control in the firebox and turns into a flame fest, I'm at your mercy to end it if you feel like it.

There's Goatchomper, SWATJester, Roommateriot, CheesesteakJim, StandingCow, Maddog, Evilsuperstar and Somedude who moderate here too. You think I'm some kind of evil dicatator? Dude, I can manage threads and send warnings, that's it.

[MeanPatrick]

I'm not faultless, I could afford to take things in better humor however, there's no subtle humor in calling someone a nut case or other nut job or a fucking idiot... so meh... but I didn't like the idea of the firebox from the start, and hate it more now.

On the other side of things... Everyone here has become a bigger asshole, but the king of assholes is Colon. He's sort of like the fat mayor in every "LOL I'MA MONSTER, BUT I AIN'T BAD KEKEKE" film who ends up leading an angry mob against someone. The only difference is he doesn't apologize to the monster and have spongecake and wine.

And I like Colon. :huh:

[killerfluffy]

Well, if my moderation is out of line. Let the admins know.

[Somedude]

I'm not laying all the blame on you Fluff by any means, I already stated what I thought was the biggest flaw: Allow the festering stench of politics to contaminate the fucking place.... but then again, you do have to say that attitude reflects leadership/direction...

I always appreciate the different views to be had, and for the most part, there's nobody that really drives me to madness in the political debates. Marty comes close sometimes though. ;)

I'm aware, but I can also see WHO'S online when something goes down, and who acts on something and who doesn't.... I can see who's on when I lodge a complaint and who pretty much goes "Fuckin' whatever" and who does something about it. Perception is reality.

Don't go by that, a few of us stay hidden and don't show up there. Generally, I think everyone leaves some sort of "I did it!" message in the threads.

[MeanPatrick]

And I play into their hands all too often, generally realizing far too late I've just allowed him and others to goad me into flaming the fuck out of them right back. But part of that is because I feel that if I complain about it, nothing'll get done, so I might as well just flame the bastards back. Granted, if certain mods/admins are online I'll report the post, and if others are... no point.

Yea, but all your flames are serious. :( Be silly and they can't touch you. Well... you know what I mean. The more you push the seriousness of a flame the more they get serious about it.

[killerfluffy]

I'm aware, but I can also see WHO'S online when something goes down, and who acts on something and who doesn't.... I can see who's on when I lodge a complaint and who pretty much goes "Fuckin' whatever" and who does something about it. Perception is reality.

You've reported five threads since August:

One I read your complaint and deleted the offending thread.

The next cow handled.

The next cow handled and undid preemptive moderation I had done, which effected more people than just yourself mind you.

The next, I wasn't online for, and in the end I thought the moderators were too light handed on that particular flame fest in the firebox.

And the most recent one I kept my hands off because you bitch about my bias in moderation and I would've deleted more posts that you probably wanted deleted.

[MeanPatrick]

Well call it a character flaw but I don't take attacks on my intelligence and ESPECIALLY attacks on my state of mind lightly.

THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE?!?!?!?! :menkey: Seriously though, attack back in a silly way and they will answer in kind. If you take shit seriously they'll just go at you like a fucking bear.

I also think that way too many personal attacks go uncorrected, and I think that for obvious reasons but... it doesn't change the fact that it's happening, regardless of what you may say or think about me.

See, here's the problem: We don't need better rule enforcement, what we needs is some 'tude adjustments here.

[killerfluffy]

First off Prowl resigned. Second, I'm not going to debate my views on users who aren't moderators being able to delete other users' posts.


Lastly, I idle here. So chances are I'm not at the computer for about 90% of the time that i show up as being online. Second, I'm interested in how you'd even know I was online to begin with, seeing as thats disabled.

[Somedude]

especially seeing that Prowl lost his modship over that. But as I've already pointed out, I don't consider you the problem.

Prowl actually de-modded himself. Largely in part because of all those goings on, but also because he just was sick of the whole moderating thing.

[MeanPatrick]

To respond, I quote the rules:

So you complain about everything being like the firebox, yet you want the OTF to be like the firebox with no personal attacks, serious or not. Because most of them start out as a jab and developes because the person being insulted takes it seriuosly.

Pretty blunt and self explanatory, but widely violated. Bottom line is that people know what gets a rise out of other people, and do it anyway.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T LET THEM GET THE BETTER OF YOU! They get their jollies off of it becuase they know you'll do. But rather than actually try and make them stop by showing them that it won't work, thus having to find another way to get their jollies, you'd rather the admins strike up the cuddly bear game... AGAIN.

[killerfluffy]

Alright, so because I defer to a more experienced moderator, I'm showing bias.


Which thread did you appeal to me for help in? I'm curious, because I honestly can't remember it. (Not being a smartass)

[MeanPatrick]

Roffle, yeah, noone gets flamed in the firebox....

I wouldn't know, I don't like the firebox.


I'm not asking them to be cuddly bear, I'm just stating that you shouldn't be allowed to act like a total asshole.

Okay, fine. But how do people (including you, because how you answer this one determines if you're a hypocrite or not) react when their posts get deleted or they get banned?

[Anti-Llama]

id like to go on the record and say "butts"



that is all

[killerfluffy]

Oh, you mean the one in which you were being completely unreasonable and exercising the "I'm going to take my ball and go home" mentality of argumentation when things didn't go you way? That was also a thread in which numerous other people had been presenting evidence that you were dismissing with snide quips and remarks without presenting any meaningful evidence of your own.

That said, I didn't actively moderate that thread other than to undelete it after you had deleted it. Something which I maintain, and still do, that non-moderators should not have the ability to do, especially in the Firebox. However, I'm not a supermod or admin, and my actions was overruled by an Admin.

I will repeat this though. You are not a moderator, you do not reserve the right to decide what is and is not appropriate, or what is or is not a flame fest. The moderation staff does.

[killerfluffy]

Well, in the firebox I completely disagree. You can delete your own posts, but no one else's, and honestly thats the only place it really matters.

Maintain whatever you want Rabbit, thats not how it works.

[MeanPatrick]

It doesn't paint me a hypocrite at all, if someone's being a total douche and gets a two day ban for it, it's whay they reaped themselves, regardless of how much someone 'invited' it.

You side stepped the question. The answer is they bitch, they become pissy, and they always saying something to the effect of "fuck the man!"
Yes you could have all these people get their posts deleted/or banned but they won't stop. And they won't stop until something causes them to change or they go away/get perma-banned. They act, in other word, just like you're acting. You probably have a better point then most of them, but they aren't going to listen to force.

If you want most of the forum-goers here banned, go ahead.

[MeanPatrick]

Banned? Absolutely not, but told there's a time and a place to shut the fuck up, yes. Won't lie, that'd be pretty fucking nice. I'll see where this is in the morning.

That shit didn't fly during the first mouths of the iamtard rules (when they were enforcing it to the T), and it won't fly with yours. Either they will keep getting their shit removed and leave or the admins will soften up and they'll go right back at it. You're complaining about where this forum is going, but if they do it your way it'll either empty this place, or keep it just like it is: Down hill.

[Somedude]

We can't change that, and I'm ok with that, but we can change everyone on here acting like total dickheads all the time. :lincoln:

Let's get an acoustic guitar, sit around the campfire and have a sing along!

(That'll be the perfect time to push some of these SOBs in the fire! :lincoln:)

[MeanPatrick]

Rabbit is the Hilary Clinton of the forum. :kak:

[StandingCow]

That shit didn't fly during the first mouths of the iamtard rules (when they were enforcing it to the T), and it won't fly with yours. Either they will keep getting their shit removed and leave or the admins will soften up and they'll go right back at it. You're complaining about where this forum is going, but if they do it your way it'll either empty this place, or keep it just like it is: Down hill.

Wow.... you are totally wrong. We never enforced the rules imatard wanted, NEVER. You know nothing about what happened, so don't comment on it.

Guys, if you don't like how things are run... leave. There is no mod for these forums, they are kept around by swatjester to give you all a "home". He pays, and we take time out of our schedules to keep the place in check.

Every mod has a strength/weakness, that is why there is more than one of us. If you have an issue with any mod, let me know. We battled imatard many times in IRC, as did alex.

Joe, we all like you, and think you are funny, but I don't care if you have fallen on hard times (It sucks, I wish you were doing better) but we aren't going to enforce rules any less because your having a hard life. Stay within the rules and everything will be fine.

[MeanPatrick]

Wow.... you are totally wrong. We never enforced the rules imatard wanted, NEVER. You know nothing about what happened, so don't comment on it.

I ment the rules that came about after iamtard's bitching... :huh: Would you refer me to call them rule change #blahblah? And if you suggest that it didn't at least partially happen because of iamtard's bitching then I suggest you go back and read from that event before commenting on them.

[StandingCow]

I ment the rules that came about after iamtard's bitching... :huh: And if you suggest that it didn't happen because of iamtard then I suggest you go back and read from that event before commenting on them.

His bitching had NOTHING to do with it. Again, leave it alone because you didn't see everything that went on.

[MeanPatrick]

His bitching had NOTHING to do with it. Again, leave it alone because you didn't see everything that went on.

Okay then explain it, if you don't want me give false info, give me the right info. Regardless, of weather it did or didn't happen because that my comment you were quoting still stand as does everything I've said before it because I was using iamtard's bitching and the shit it started as the major event before the rules change happend.

[StandingCow]

Okay then explain it, if you don't want me give false info, give me the right info. Regardless, of weather it did or didn't happen because that my comment you were quoting still stand as does everything I've said before it because was using iamtard's bitching as the major event before the rules change happend.

No, because it is none of your business. Drop it.

[MeanPatrick]

No, because it is none of your business. Drop it.

Fine, then don't expect me to update my info for future comments on the subject. But regardless my comments stand true apart (supposedly) from that.

[StandingCow]

Fine, then don't expect me to update my info for future comments on the subject. But regardless my comments stand true apart (supposedly) from that.

What the fuck did I just say? Stop commenting on it. I won't tell you again.

[MeanPatrick]

What the fuck did I just say? Stop commenting on it. I won't tell you again.

The rules are a result of iamtard's bitching. Iraq is iamtard's fault. Everything is iamtard's fault.

Do justice as you see fit, but if do what I think you're about to do you'll only prove everything I've said.

[StandingCow]

The rules are a result of iamtard's bitching. Iraq is iamtard's fault. Everything is iamtard's fault.

Do justice as you see fit, but if do what I think you're about to do you'll only prove everything I've said.

enjoy your vacation.

c. If a moderator tells you to stop doing something, stop doing it.

[Afro Joe]

The rules were Imatards doing. I was there. Thank you.

I talked to Alex on the goddamn phone and he told me this. Quit twisting the truth.

PS: eat shit

[StandingCow]

The rules were Imatards doing. I was there. Thank you.

I talked to Alex on the goddamn phone and he told me this. Quit twisting the truth.

PS: eat shit

No, they were not imatards doing. I talked to alex/scav/swat all at the same time.

Alex told us that he wanted to change the rules anyway. You are the one twisting the truth.

From alex's post in the mod section.

"Well, it's back in my hands now. And I realize that they had a point. The OTF is most of the forums, and it's lewd and unprofessional. It's driving people away, including mod talent and professional prospects. So, we're going to clean the forums up. Forget Tard and Olah. What comes next won't be their doing, it'll be mine. They both know how this situation came to pass and it sure as fuck won't be happening again."

[Afro Joe]

Whatever, that's what he told me. Anyway, why the hell would you ban patrick for simply insinuating that it was?

[StandingCow]

Whatever, that's what he told me. Anyway, why the hell would you ban patrick for simply insinuating that it was?

I didn't ban him for that. I banned him for the rule I quoted in my past response to him.

[Afro Joe]

Super. It dosn't make it any less retarded. Here's an idea! Quit being such a cocksucking hardass.

[StandingCow]

Super. It dosn't make it any less retarded. Here's an idea! Quit being such a cocksucking hardass.

:rolleyes:

Joe, you aren't an admin, never have been. Don't tell me how to do it. :kak:

[Afro Joe]

I've had enough talking down to for a while.

peace

[BigDog]

Several things , aimed at nobody in particular.

Before the Firebox (old forums, mind you), ALL political/religious debate was confined to one thread on the entire forum. Sounds fun, don't it?

Users can delete their own threads. That's the way it is.

The first time we say "Stop it" is a request. The second should be considered a warning shot.

Hard times are a part of life. You deal with it.

The OTF is nobody's personal playground.

Cow, settle down if you don't mind.

[Scraps]

Jesus Joe just stfu and leave if you hate them that much.

[[Rapid-Fire]]

Up the shut fuck already and release FA3.

[maggie]

Problem number one with these forums as I see it: a fair number of you think that you have rights.

[Wallrod]

If i could leave the mod team a second time, i would.

[StandingCow]

If i could leave the mod team a second time, i would.

By this Im sure you mean the users are a pain in the ass... nothing negative about the mod team....? :o

[Daemas]

Problem number one with these forums as I see it: a fair number of you think that you have rights.

Aboose!


Mommy! Daddy! Stop fighting!

I have no more insight on this topic, I hated everybody at one time or another in this thread, and then they got cool, and then they sucked again, and then they got cool again, so yeah...

:kak: :kak: :kak: :kak: :kak:

[Tuulos]

Problem number one with these forums as I see it: a fair number of you think that you have rights.

QFT*1000!

[RoommateRiot]

This is the breakdown on the difference between the OTF and the Firebox, as far as I can see it (and this is how I enforce it, as well):

Firebox - For serious conversation. You can rest assured that your thread will not be derailed w/o reason. I say "w/o reason" because starting a thread on ONE political candidate and the ending up talking about another is a derailment but is alright. :)

OTF - OFF. TOPIC. FORUM. This doesn't mean OMGZ NO POLITICS!, it just means that if you want to get political, you don't have the same right to not have your thread polluted with idle banter that you do in the Firebox. Similarly, you don't have the right to have your thread NOT be politicized.

Also, Rabbit, I think sometimes you post things that are already political, and then pretend they aren't. For example, your thread about the guy ripping down the Mexican Flag. I don't know HOW you thought that wouldn't turn political. Just by POSTING it and reacting in a positive light, you were making a political thread.

I pick this one because it's one that I specifically remember you getting all "Hey! Don't be political!" in. It seems that when you say a thread is getting "political" and it bothers you, what you mean is "People are doing things I don't want them to do / turning a thread into an actual discussion (which means disagreement, more often than not) instead of 'LOL! AWESOME!' or 'omgz, buttz!'"

If you don't like the way a thread is going, bow out of it. That's pretty much what I'm doing with the Taser thread in the firebox right now. I know my mind won't be changed, and I don't want to get unnecessarily upset, so I'm not posting in it much.

It's pretty easy.

[Modest Genius]

Wow this went shit quickly. OK, thoughts:

Joe, rules are rules, doesn't matter who you are or how hard you think your life is, you follow the same rules. And coming back from a ban and immediately making a 'fuck you' thread doesn't make you look any better.

Rabbit, I must be seeing a different OTF to you. Most things don't get political. Those that do, usually do as a result of the nature of the subject - it also doesn't help when people post blatantly contentious, political or polemic remarks and then complain when people take them up on them. Also, lighten up, you've done little but complain recently.

Cow, there was NO need to ban meanpatrick. That there was admin abuse, plain and simple. You didn't like the way the conversation was going so you banned him. That is NOT acceptable behaviour for an admin. Also, there's generally an unwritten rule that you don't moderate a discussion you are heavily involved in, which you broke. Finally, asking for an explanation is a reasonable request. You don't have to answer it, but you can't tell someone to stop asking then ban them for ignoring the moderator. If I wasn't tolerant of the fact that people make mistakes I'd be calling for your resignation at this point.

Fluffy, Rabbit, the pair of you obviously have issues with each other, take it to PMs or better yet, learn to get along.

MeanPatrick, regardless of what happened behind closed doors a long time in the past, it doesn't really matter. What matters is what happens now.

BigDog appears to have made the most sensible post in this thread, even though I don't agree with all of it.


Now some general points: The OTF isn't as good as it was. That happens, people leave, everyone 'grows up' to a certain extent, silliness is perhaps less interesting for many. Of course that's going to happen in a forum with no influx of new members. If anyone dislikes that, they can leave, but staying just to complain about how much better it used to be is stupid. If you really think it isn't as good, contribute some good threads to it.

I think that's about it for now.

[Sturmwehr]

Cow, there was NO need to ban meanpatrick. That there was admin abuse, plain and simple. You didn't like the way the conversation was going so you banned him. That is NOT acceptable behaviour for an admin. Also, there's generally an unwritten rule that you don't moderate a discussion you are heavily involved in, which you broke. Finally, asking for an explanation is a reasonable request. You don't have to answer it, but you can't tell someone to stop asking then ban them for ignoring the moderator. If I wasn't tolerant of the fact that people make mistakes I'd be calling for your resignation in this post.

Same way I feel.

I don't even see how you could justify that, Cow. You can certainly TRY, but you'll be the only one believing it.

You basically told him to stop posting since you thought what he was saying was incorrect, and unwilling to even explain to him why you thought he was incorrect, you banned him when he said he still believes it.

How is that acceptable behavior?

[Chunkywheats]

Wow this went shit quickly. OK, thoughts:

Joe, rules are rules, doesn't matter who you are or how hard you think your life is, you follow the same rules. And coming back from a ban and immediately making a 'fuck you' thread doesn't make you look any better.

Rabbit, I must be seeing a different OTF to you. Most things don't get political. Those that do, usually do as a result of the nature of the subject - it also doesn't help when people post blatantly contentious, political or polemic remarks and then complain when people take them up on them. Also, lighten up, you've done little but complain recently.

Cow, there was NO need to ban meanpatrick. That there was admin abuse, plain and simple. You didn't like the way the conversation was going so you banned him. That is NOT acceptable behaviour for an admin. Also, there's generally an unwritten rule that you don't moderate a discussion you are heavily involved in, which you broke. Finally, asking for an explanation is a reasonable request. You don't have to answer it, but you can't tell someone to stop asking then ban them for ignoring the moderator. If I wasn't tolerant of the fact that people make mistakes I'd be calling for your resignation at this point.

Fluffy, Rabbit, the pair of you obviously have issues with each other, take it to PMs or better yet, learn to get along.

MeanPatrick, regardless of what happened behind closed doors a long time in the past, it doesn't really matter. What matters is what happens now.

BigDog appears to have made the most sensible post in this thread, even though I don't agree with all of it.


Now some general points: The OTF isn't as good as it was. That happens, people leave, everyone 'grows up' to a certain extent, silliness is perhaps less interesting for many. Of course that's going to happen in a forum with no influx of new members. If anyone dislikes that, they can leave, but staying just to complain about how much better it used to be is stupid. If you really think it isn't as good, contribute some good threads to it.

I think that's about it for now.

QFE

and also my thoughts:

to me, this place still is home, and even though I don't like everyone, I still enjoy coming here. The difference is, when I don't like someone and they don't like me, I don't expect them to be civil to me, and I don't care if they aren't. I'm not here to impress anyone. I am here to have fun and learn a few things, both of which I do on a daily basis.

also, as far as banning ANYONE: banning at this point is really only going to hurt this community more than it helps it. Yes, people do banworthy things, but I strongly suggest taking it to PMs and discussing without banning. The only thing keeping this place alive are the MPs and the Afro Joes. Sure, this gives a little bit of 'power' to us, the common user, but what is so bad about that? Most anything here anymore can be curtailed by public opinion. As long as everyone still cares about this place they won't let it turn to shit.

I know that I've been more of an asshole lately, but only because I see the end of this place stemming from the over-moderation. I have been trying to promote more free discussion about burning issues (dislikes of other forum members, for example) than just reporting posts and trying to get someone to hide problems instead of fix them for themselves.

I have never reported a post, I never complain about ad hominem attacks. In fact I welcome them, because at least it is honesty. At this point, my feelings are not going to be hurt by an Afro Joe calling me a dumbass, or rabbit saying he doesn't <3 me. I would rather have that then nothing at all. :o


comprende?

[killerfluffy]

I know that I've been more of an asshole lately, but only because I see the end of this place stemming from the over-moderation. I have been trying to promote more free discussion about burning issues (dislikes of other forum members, for example) than just reporting posts and trying to get someone to hide problems instead of fix them for themselves.


I really don't think you guys realize just how little moderator action there is here.

[Prowl]

It's amazing, you have the most community focused, laid back moderation team this forum has ever had and yet you (elements of the community) still bitch!

My sentiments agree with Wallrod's 100% there's no reason any right minded individual would want to moderate these forums anymore, it's a giant bitch-fest whenever someone does any moderation.

Roommate Riot hit the nail on the head regarding the "politicisation" of the forums. You can not post a thread/post that makes a political statement and then NOT expect a political response. Only totalitarian states bar people from criticising propaganda, and we don't want that here do we?

As for bannings, why does anyone think they have a right to participate in these forums? If you repeatedly step out of line then a ban is the correct answer, there are certain people that have been dodging the bullet for a long time, and are largely still here due to the generous nature of the moderation team. Biting the hand that feeds you often results in you going hungry, something to bear in mind?

[Evil Superstar]

yeah, I hardly do any moderating at all due to the constant bitching ... but I will say this



WILL EVERYBODY CHILL FOR A SECOND! Jesus guys, I don't know how some of you can get so worked up on some subjects.

[DunNa]

I don't know how some of you can get so worked up on some subjects.

We see your sig and are overcome with extreme manlove lust and can't control ourselves.

Then again maybe its imatard's fault :fier:

[GusButts]

Guys













STFU

God, I'm an asshole all the time because it's funny and I never participate in any serious threads because they are gay and not funny and turn into literal shit.

Instead of bitching, how about you do the same fucking thing assclowns. How about you DON'T fucking go into political/debate/serious threads and stop bitching about threads turning into political/debate/serious, because you fucking join the debate in the first place and then debate yourselves to shit and then get mad because it turned into a debate. You fucking idiots. You stupid dumbass fucking idiots. I'll kill all of you. Fucking fucks.

And no I didn't read the first 120 or something posts of this thread. But I did read the first 30 or so before getting bored, and yes, FUCK YOU, except everyone that does the same as me, and stop being crybabies all over the fucking place.

And slack off that fucking report post button and use it when someone's really breaking the rules or are stepping over the fucking line.

Fuck.

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[Lord Kelvin]

Xhair fucking wins the thread, and not only for the Reagan Smash GIF.

[Evil Superstar]

Was that a sensible post by crosshair?

[Sturmwehr]

It's amazing, you have the most community focused, laid back moderation team this forum has ever had and yet you (elements of the community) still bitch!

I think that's what a lot of us are talking about. Rabbit didn't have a problem with the moderation team on the board, but certain individual moderators. It's the same way we didn't have a problem with the team while lucky was here - we instead had a problem with lucky himself.

It's like what we just witnessed here with SC. Multiple people here have said it was out of line, and even BigDog called for SC to simmer down. That's not an issue with the team, but with an individual.

There are moderators that I think are piss poor and others that I think do an excellent job. Together, as a team, it's fine... However, real life precludes having the entire team online here 24 hours a day. Thus, some of the more disliked moderators must be relied on, and sometimes it doesn't pan out well at all.


there's no reason any right minded individual would want to moderate these forums anymore, it's a giant bitch-fest whenever someone does any moderation.

There's some mods I have never even seen have a public compliant about them. You're one of them.


Roommate Riot hit the nail on the head regarding the "politicisation" of the forums. You can not post a thread/post that makes a political statement and then NOT expect a political response. Only totalitarian states bar people from criticising propaganda, and we don't want that here do we?

I'm afraid I have to agree.


As for bannings, why does anyone think they have a right to participate in these forums? If you repeatedly step out of line then a ban is the correct answer

That's the thing, however. The rules are entirely up to interpretation. SC was able to justify MP's ban by saying he didn't shut up when he was told to, even when he wasn't breaking the rules or being disruptive by posting. In your peoples’ book, that's a valid justification. In some others, it is not. A few people, me included, think that it is a bogus explanation for the banning. The way it happened made it look like MP was banned for simply disagreeing with SC as well.

Had SC had another moderator come in, do an IMPARTIAL review of the situation, I would have an entirely different attitude altogether. As MG pointed, mods should not moderate in discussions they are partaking in. It is bad etiquette.

[Wallrod]

There's some mods I have never even seen have a public compliant about them. You're one of them.

Please tell me i've missed some kind of hyper-sarcasm here.

[Modest Genius]

Roommate Riot hit the nail on the head regarding the "politicisation" of the forums. You can not post a thread/post that makes a political statement and then NOT expect a political response. Only totalitarian states bar people from criticising propaganda, and we don't want that here do we?done it before, I'd do it again. whether people would put up with me is another matter, as is whether I'm in my right mind or not... :D

also, out of interest, wtf was this imatard thing? I don't remember that, was I away or something?

[StandingCow]

Cow, there was NO need to ban meanpatrick. That there was admin abuse, plain and simple. You didn't like the way the conversation was going so you banned him. That is NOT acceptable behaviour for an admin. Also, there's generally an unwritten rule that you don't moderate a discussion you are heavily involved in, which you broke. Finally, asking for an explanation is a reasonable request.

The point isn't what he was trying to say, the point is he was told to stop doing something and continued to do it. I don't care where the conversation goes, I knew what had happened, he didn't.


You don't have to answer it, but you can't tell someone to stop asking then ban them for ignoring the moderator. If I wasn't tolerant of the fact that people make mistakes I'd be calling for your resignation at this point.


I told him to stop, and he didn't. So he is gone for 3 days.

Anyway, this conversation is over.