Left 4 Dead

[Mystrick]

Just the demo is fucking AMAZING so far. Oh my God it rocks.

[PsychoMantis]

Should be playing this later tonight at some point.
I think my Steam ID is [PSC]Kawaii Lincoln :lincoln:

Oh fuck it, I'm in the OTF games group anyways.

[Col. Psycho]

aight yo, im downloadin dat fo shizzzniz right now. :P

pre-ordered and downloading. should be done soon. who's game?

edit: i joined the group on steam. if you are up for playing it, find me, add me, and we'll co-op it up to the max. :)

[neko]

Where do I get the demo off of? I don't see it on Steam anywhere.

Edit: Oh nevermind :(

[Col. Psycho]

ffs someone get in here and get a game together with me. D:!!!

[Pltcl Sniper]

I'm stuck between this and X3 :-\ Ive never played one of the X games before but left 4 dead looks nice.

[Col. Psycho]

Get Left 4 Dead!!! D:!!!

[Mirsky]

So I get the single/co-op player modes of this game but how will multi player work? Is it team based zombies vs. un-infected humans?

[Lord Kelvin]

Bah, I'm stuck between this and CoD5... :\

I'll see about downloading it when I get home just to see what it's like. If I don't like it, back to CoD5 for the rest of the week.

[CaptCommy]

So I get the single/co-op player modes of this game but how will multi player work? Is it team based zombies vs. un-infected humans?

Multi is 4v4. 4 humans vs 4 special zombies. There'll be untold numbers of AI zombies walking around to handle the horde part we all expect. The zombies with special abilities you see in the videos will be the players.

I should hopefully be playing later tonight if all goes to plan.

[Lord Kelvin]

Urgh, so it's pre-order only then, isn't it? Guess I'll pass until the demo becomes available to the rest of us on the 11th.

[nojmaster]

Oh fuck it, I'm in the OTF games group anyways.

I accidentally OTF Group


Well, actually, I accidentally pissed as a fart.

How do I join the OTF Group on steam? I wish to know when to play with the rest of you feglets.

[Discobird]

Played a few hours so far. It's fun but the demo is very short. The game's definitely made to be played on Expert. Normal and Advanced are too easy to be suspenseful, but Expert is full of oh-shit moments. Weapon models and sounds are pretty underwhelming but the animations (player and zombie) are great. I think the real longevity of the game will come from Versus mode, if they balance it right.

I really need a new computer. 20FPS @ 720x480 with every graphics setting at minimum on my Inspiron 9300 :(

[CaptCommy]

Yeah, Advanced and Expert are the only way to play. So fucking awesome.

And yeah, one of my favourite bloggers talked about how in the actual game, each episode comes to a huge, awesome climax, and he was disappointed you only get half way through an episode. So, if the demo kinda left you feeling, "Was that all?" the answer is no.

http://www.pentadact.com/index.php/2008-11-06-left-4-de

[Discobird]

Oh yeah, and the Director lives up to the hype. Every playthrough is different, and it picks off stragglers reaaally well.

[nojmaster]

I accidentally OTF Group


Well, actually, I accidentally pissed as a fart.

How do I join the OTF Group on steam? I wish to know when to play with the rest of you feglets.

Oksy, omit the first two seneteeces. I stell mean it; Whaty is this OTF Group on steam and how do I ascwes it? I'm going to bed now, but I'll read and be embraresed by this tomorrow I'm sure.

Buts I'll still know how to get on the OTF Gorpiu"!

[Discobird]

From Steam, click on the community tab and search for OTF Games

If you post your SteamID someone can invite you

[nojmaster]

Cheers, and remind me to not ever post while inebriated, especially when I have a lot of work to do the next day :(

Here's my steamID: cspie123@hotmail.com

Nevermind, I found and joined. Huzzah!

[StandingCow]

Ok, I am getting this.. hehe

[Vatek]

Played the demo last night...amazing game.

My only complaint is that the matchmaking system is really dodgy currently. Sometimes it just never finds a server to host your game on. Hopefully they iron it out before release.

[Mirsky]

You can't just do a pick up game?

[pro kossu]

You can't just do a pick up game?

Sure we can.

How're you doing, big boy?

[Discobird]

You can do pick up games. It seems like there are two ways to get into a game:

1. Join an open game in progress. You'll replace a bot.

2. Join (or create) a lobby first. This is a waiting area to gather people before playing. When the lobby leader hits start, the game will automatically search for an available dedicated server to create a new game on. If it doesn't find one, the leader has the option of hosting a new game on his own computer.

Plus the main menu has a nifty link that lets you see what games/lobbies your friends are currently in. It doesn't really tell you anything your Steam friends list couldn't tell you, but it's convenient.

[Mirsky]

I'm assuming that second method is specifically created for integration into XBox Live.

[Discobird]

25-minute video of a demo playthrough available here: http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/42815/Left-4-Dead-Movies-Complete-Demo-Capture

[Mystrick]

You can pick your servers:

Enable developer's console (options -> keyboard/mouse -> developers console)
Type into console openserverbrowser
Voila.

Games are under Custom

http://www.left4dead411.com/news/2008/11/server-browser-available/

[Vatek]

I'm assuming that second method is specifically created for integration into XBox Live.

The PC and 360 versions aren't cross compatible.

The structure of the game definitely differs from a standard TF2 or CSS server, so I think they chose the Xbox-style lobby for that reason.

[HarryB]

I'll wait till the full game comes out. I have to many other games on the go right now.

Also, can you talk in this game?

[Col. Psycho]

yes. you can sort out your mic and talk using "c" button as default. :)

[HarryB]

The only reason I asked was that I am watching the videos that Disco posted and I don't think I heard them speak once.

-e-

Also in true movie fashion, the black guy dies.

[SIR_halyavshik]

Who wanna play beta together on nov11?
My steam ID Nqss[RUS]

[Pltcl Sniper]

Who wanna play beta together on nov11?
My steam ID Nqss[RUS]

Just join the [OTF] Games group on steam dude, and youll see most of us on there :D

[Vatek]

I'll wait till the full game comes out. I have to many other games on the go right now.

Also, can you talk in this game?

Voice comm is huge in L4D. Coordination and teamwork are absolutely necessary to survive, especially on expert.

I know what you mean with too many games on the go. I've got at least a half dozen that I've been spreading my time around over the last three weeks.

[CaptCommy]

I'm assuming that second method is specifically created for integration into XBox Live.

I think it's more the fact that the servers will be 8 players max, once they let you be zombies. And it's kinda hard to get all your friends into one server that way. Much easier to just make a party, and then you're guaranteed to be on the same team too.

[SIR_halyavshik]

Just join the [OTF] Games group on steam dude, and youll see most of us on there :D

done

[Discobird]

Yep voice comm is essential. If you get separated from your team, the AI WILL kill you in 20 seconds or so on Expert.

Played a couple hours today with three other people and we couldn't beat Expert. Had a lot of fun trying though. Tanks are brutal. Protip: don't throw Molotov cocktails at your downed teammates :gun:

[StandingCow]

I set up an event for tommorow in the OTF games group. Hopefully around 9PM EST or even after we can play some games together.

[Maddog]

I should be there

[CaptCommy]

Yep voice comm is essential. If you get separated from your team, the AI WILL kill you in 20 seconds or so on Expert.

Played a couple hours today with three other people and we couldn't beat Expert. Had a lot of fun trying though. Tanks are brutal. Protip: don't throw Molotov cocktails at your downed teammates :gun:

I beat both levels on Expert in single player, since I got sick of waiting for match making. Of course, I've failed a lot too. It never gets easy, I just got lucky :P

[Vatek]

Yep voice comm is essential. If you get separated from your team, the AI WILL kill you in 20 seconds or so on Expert.

Played a couple hours today with three other people and we couldn't beat Expert. Had a lot of fun trying though. Tanks are brutal. Protip: don't throw Molotov cocktails at your downed teammates :gun:

Heheheheh. Had a teammate get barfed on and he got swarmed by about 30 zombies...I shouted "don't worry I'll save you!!!" and threw a molotov at him.

[StandingCow]

Heheheheh. Had a teammate get barfed on and he got swarmed by about 30 zombies...I shouted "don't worry I'll save you!!!" and threw a molotov at him.

ROFL! Oh, you ass :)

[Maddog]

meeting up in the otf group chat room would help with organization for whom ever is playing tonight

[StandingCow]

Lets play!

[Maddog]

so me and SC had fun last night. Hunters sure love jumping on the black guy

[StandingCow]

so me and SC had fun last night. Hunters sure love jumping on the black guy

Sadly I was the black guy last night... always died first... hunters always went after me. LOL

[BattleWhack]

Just picked up the demo tonight.

Blown away. Can't wait for release.

[StandingCow]

Just picked up the demo tonight.

Blown away. Can't wait for release.

Yea, I played with Alex, his brother, and SWAT tonight... had some stability issues between the four of us... then played some with KFM and others.

The way to go is Expert... so much fun.

Yea, I cannot wait for release. :fier:

[PopeDragunov]

I want for the 360

[Krispy Joe]

I'm getting this for xbox... my PC is shit and 200 miles away, my laptop couldn't run this :(

[StandingCow]

I want for the 360

I'm getting this for xbox... my PC is shit and 200 miles away, my laptop couldn't run this :(

Lame!

[Apoc]

Do want. Fuck you, money, and your fear of me.

[Maddog]

the director is an asshole


that is all

[HarryB]

Lame!

I'm gunna get it for the compulator, so we can scream like girls together.:)

[StandingCow]

I'm gunna get it for the compulator, so we can scream like girls together.:)

w00t :D

[Freshmeat.Popsicle]

saw an add for it on TV, came in my pants, thought about posting, but House was on. :(

Good lookin out though Mystrick. :p

[Mystrick]

Yeah when I was half way through the demo I made the post :D

[CaptCommy]

Oh god I've beaten this demo so many times.

And yes, the Director is a god damned bitch when she sends TWO Tanks at you in the span of 5 minutes.

[Vatek]

My only complaint, as with all Valve games, is that there's no way to separate voice comm from game audio. Is it too much to ask for the game sounds to come through my speakers and people talking on voice comm to be on my headset speakers? :(

[neko]

Does the demo become downloadable at a certain time? I am trying to download it but the page only refreshes.

[Mystrick]

It was supposed to be released today

[Apoc]

I'm getting it right now. Just use Steam to install it instead of trying to hit the website. Working just fine so far.

[neko]

Yeah I was using Steam but it works now, I had to restart it a couple of times.

[Makai Goblin]

I didn't read all the posts...

What's the MP like? I heard it's 4 person co-op, and 4vs4 in competitive servers.

I'm kinda worried about the low numbers. I mean, one complaint I heard about DooM3 was it's being designed for less that 10 player MP*, and while the SP was lackluster, I figured if they had more standard MP numbers, there would be at least a small MP following.

*I did see servers with 10-12 people. when I joined, the maps were too crowded, the few times they were populated.

[neko]

It's 4 vs 4 because there are tons of AI enemies, so it is really crowded and intense when you only have 4 people on humans. I saw a link to a play through of the demo on humans, let me see if I can find it.

Edit: I think this is it, but it isn't loading so I can't be sure.

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/42815/Left-4-Dead-Movies-Complete-Demo-Capture

[Vatek]

The director AI is a real bitch too. Those zombies can swarm real quickly.

[neko]

I have only played a little bit of the game because my textures kept messing up, but I think I fixed them. Seems like playing on Expert is the way to go so far. Let's play!

[Apoc]

Just finished downloading. About to start her up.

[neko]

Damnit, I updated my video card drivers like it told me to and now anything involving a scroll bar is laggy and weird :(

[BattleWhack]

Expert is fucking awesome

god I can't wait

[StandingCow]

Expert is fucking awesome

god I can't wait

Yea, that is the best way to play, so damn fun. :)

[Pltcl Sniper]

I'm at 82% any one up for playing tonight around 6 or 7?

[Maddog]

playin tonight?!

[Pltcl Sniper]

I will :-D steam name [OTF]PltclSniper

[StandingCow]

I'm up for a game.

[Pltcl Sniper]

86% should be done soon :-D

[Maddog]

well im working on stuff at my computer so just steam message me when everyone wants to play

[Ch33zy]

Gay. Cant play online for some reason, always says connection failed after 10 retries. Even fucked with my firewall settings, not luck

[Noirceur]

I'll be playing the demo when it's available for free. If Disco's right about the weapon models, I'll be a little disappointed. Weapon models almost make the game for me.

[Mystrick]

You can download it now I think

[Mystrick]

The weapon models are alright, I'm concentrating too much on killing the horde than oogling a weapon model.

The music when the witch is around is fucking SCARY

[Maddog]

Glock is zombie bait

:)

[Glock23]

rofl i really am and i wasn't even the black guy

[Pltcl Sniper]

Hahha I left glock to die.

[Mirsky]

well it was fun but we do suck badly

[Airborne506]

I took some rawsome pics.


Maddog dispensing zombie justice
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6829/l4ddemhospital02subway0su4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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The team minus me laying it on those undead fucks
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2562/l4ddemhospital02subway0qn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
AHHHHH!!!!
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What happens when Glock shows up: Vomit and bloodshed.
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Those tanks were a pain in the ass, not to mention the time we ran into a tank, smoker, and boomer + horde all at once.

[HarryB]

I'll be playing the demo when it's available for free. If Disco's right about the weapon models, I'll be a little disappointed. Weapon models almost make the game for me.

Once the game is out, the online component of the demo will be removed.

Also, gun nerd.

[Discobird]

I'll be playing the demo when it's available for free. If Disco's right about the weapon models, I'll be a little disappointed. Weapon models almost make the game for me.

You really won't be looking at the weapon models if the director does its job

[neko]

Daaamn I have played through it a bunch, but I keep getting strange texture errors so I can't get the full effect :(

[Lord Kelvin]

I just got the demo today and played through single player on Normal, it does seem a bit drawn down. I might try it with you guys or on Hard tomorrow or so, but I have work to do today.

[Noirceur]

You really won't be looking at the weapon models if the director does its job

True

[CaptCommy]

I just got the demo today and played through single player on Normal, it does seem a bit drawn down. I might try it with you guys or on Hard tomorrow or so, but I have work to do today.

Normal is stupid easy. Expert is what you want when fighting AI. I have a feeling for Versus that Advanced will be the defacto standard, because human Boomer/Smoker/Hunter/Tanks will be SO much meaner.

[Makai Goblin]

Well, I'm DL'ing it now.
Is SP shrick bitting, or just creepy. I know from the ravenholm area of HL2 that valve can do creepy. I want to play a game with SP that'll make me think twice about playing it in the dark w/headphones.

[Agent Law]

Ahh. Well, looks like I also hold the illustrious position of zombie bait.

[Moe_Rahn]

p.sure this is the only thing that will be able to tear me away from fallout 3

[Druzil]

playing on expert with server cvar's set for moar zombies = omgimpossible. we played for about three hours and lost every single time but i don't think we ever stopped laughing

had to turn god mode on for the last run just so we got passed the door switch thing

[Noirceur]

Once the game is out, the online component of the demo will be removed.
I just want to see what it looks like first.


Also, gun nerd.
Ya ya, call it what you want.

[Moe_Rahn]

Once the game is out, the online component of the demo will be removed.
fuck, seriously?

super gay

[Glock23]

on expert the director is a real fucking asshole

also i am smoker bait like, permanently

[theboywithnoeyes]

yeah well try not running ahead of of everyone like a retard after candy, shocking that smokers would grab the first person who runs by waving a flashlight around and shooting his gun in the air.

[Maddog]

Glock just has bad luck. He got a little ahead of us the one game and was at the bottom of the escelators in the subway, and proceeded to get swarmed and incapacitated. We pick off all the zombies and I'm about to go down to revive him when a boomer vomits on him and yet another wave of zombies starts kicking him while he's down. Kill them off and about to go get him when a damn hunter jumps on him and starts beating him up til he finally dies.

[Mystrick]

Wow it's like the game is trying to tell him something :p

[Mirsky]

and he wasn't even the black guy :)

I remember being the last one left alive after being swarmed in the subway. I went to run over to Maddog to revive him and as I jump out of the car a smoker drags me off. The director is a fucking nightmare.

[Lord Kelvin]

What's this director thing you keep talking about? Is it the AI that controls when zombies try to swarm you or when you run into a super-zombie?

[Maddog]

yea, the call the AI system the Director, to go along with the movie feel i suppose.

[CaptCommy]

yea, the call the AI system the Director, to go along with the movie feel i suppose.

Yeah, the Director is an AI Overmind. It governs the spawning and behaviors of every zombie you see. It's also responsible for those random rushes that occur every so often. It tries (and succeeds) at building lulls and moments of tension at regular intervals. There's a definite FIGHTrestFIGHTrest thing going on, which is why you should never stop moving. Cover as much ground as possible when in the rest phase.

[Pltcl Sniper]

You can have some really funny moments in that game all so. Am I the only one that thinks the black guy looks like a mix of Mos Def and maby a lil of obama thrown in there?

[BattleWhack]

Just had an epic few games with AgentLaw, myself, Druz, and Bordinko.

I'm really an evil fucker when it comes to "director_force_panic_event"

Highlight of that round was all of us sitting in a room, the horde banging on the door; I toss a molotov at the door, a flaming zombie opens the door, a flaming smoker grabs me, pulls me TOWARD the fire and burning zombies, and I die, on fire, getting curbstombed by flaming fucking zombies.

[Agent Law]

And that very same fire fucked me over, too. SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PLAY WITH FIRE?!?

My moment was last one alive, they're all knocking at the door, I hold them off, until a goddamn smoker pulls me into the gangfuck of zombies, and get stomped. Hard.

[Maddog]

I did find it odd that the zombies are kicking your face in when you're down instead of trying to eat you or something

-e- oh yea the Director loves throwing down smokers when there's only 1 survivor left just as a big ol FUCK YOU!

[Moe_Rahn]

Am I the only one that thinks the black guy looks like a mix of Mos Def and maby a lil of obama thrown in there?
yes, but do i remember you talking about that last night

[Pltcl Sniper]

yes, but do i remember you talking about that last night

Yea I said something about it last night.

[Mystrick]

I did find it odd that the zombies are kicking your face in when you're down instead of trying to eat you or something

-e- oh yea the Director loves throwing down smokers when there's only 1 survivor left just as a big ol FUCK YOU!
I like that aspect of this game. They're not zombies like HL or HL2 mods where one or two hits and you're infected and it pisses you off, you have a fighting chance at this game yet at the same time you can get train fucked.

I love it.

[vecdran]

Anyone want to play tonight? Getting bored playing with pubbers. (Do you guys got a vent server too?)

[Lord Kelvin]

I'm online right now, someone get online and play with me too.

[vecdran]

Wait, you're in the OTF group right? What's your name?

[Lord Kelvin]

Well, just finished a game with Moe, Mysty, and Alex.

First playthrough was OK, then the second playthrough we barely made through the first level (only because Mysty ran for the safe room), then second level we got owned repeatedly. There was one part where we got mobbed, then I got dragged into the crowd by a Smoker and thrown up on by a Boomer, and then I think a Hunter clawed me to death after.

[Moe_Rahn]

Well, just finished a game with Moe, Mysty, and Alex.

First playthrough was OK, then the second playthrough we barely made through the first level (only because Mysty ran for the safe room), then second level we got owned repeatedly. There was one part where we got mobbed, then I got dragged into the crowd by a Smoker and thrown up on by a Boomer, and then I think a Hunter clawed me to death after.
yeah that was pretty good except for the times when we all died

[Druzil]

Heh, had a fun time the other night playing. We ran into a tank and it started fucking us - hard. Dinko got wrecked right away, bdub bit it soon after, and then our buddy LV got nailed by a rock.

I was the last fucker alive and he chased me around for a good two magazines worth of firing. I finally managed to get him down and started helping LV up when a whole new bunch of zombies started bum rushing us, unfortunately they got there first.

They surrounded LV on the ground and started curb stomping the shit out of him while I tried my hardest to get them off. Then I looked down and realized I only had half a mag left. Out of AR ammo, I started plinking away with my pistol. LV bit it pretty quick and I was soon to follow as I got backed into a corner and overrun.


AWESOME.

[BattleWhack]

Fuck I love this game.

[neko]

I want my textures to work properly! AERGRHHRE

[Apoc]

Just lead a group of pub nubs to victory on their first game playing expert. :cool::ninja::menkey:

[BattleWhack]

Console commands make this a very evil, unbeatable game.

[Discobird]

I want my textures to work properly! AERGRHHRE

Tried reverting to your previous drivers?

[HarryB]

So I just tried it for the first time.

And I found out that we usually end up killing each other more than the zombies.

Also hunters hate black people.

[Maddog]

Tried reverting to your previous drivers?

I'd also check the integrity of your local files through steam.


and to be fair to Harry, he shows up for his first time when we're playing on Expert. But yea FF is a bitch to nubs d:D

[StandingCow]

Only thing that sucks is.. melee is a little OP.. you can sit in a corner, on expert just meleeing the horde of zombies and not get touched. :/

[CaptCommy]

The one thing that drives me nuts is the number of people who play this game like it's fucking CS.

Tips for maximum success!
1.) Don't run around if you don't have to. This is not your average FPS. You don't have to be moving every second. Obviously, if you need to, run, but otherwise, fucking STAY STILL. This will prevent people from SHOOTING YOU IN THE BACK OF THE FUCKING HEAD.
2.) If you're in front, crouch. Always. No excuses.
3.) LESS MOVEMENT IS BETTER. I can't stress this enough. This is a game where you want to stay together as much as possible, which is why FF can be a pain. The less you move, the less you cross the lines of fire with friendlies (DON'T CROSS THE STREAMS LOL).
4.) Try to keep a good pace. Go too slow and you end up fighting stupid large amounts of zombies.
5.) If you're in the yellow, use pills. If you're red, heal.
6.) If you're using a gun that's not the shotgun, crouch and headsnipe.
7.) One last time for good measure. Stay together and move as little as possible during a fight.

[fork]

haha, harry i think i shot you more than i shot the zombies

[vecdran]

I've taken up the rearguard position in pub games for a very good reason. I got tired of getting capped in the back of the head, even when I WAS crouching and/or staying out of the normal line of fire.

[Agent Law]

Console commands make this a very awesome, awesome game.
u no it

[Glock23]

as if the director wasn't a big enough asshole, you actually want to add to the mix?

jerks

[Makai Goblin]

Well, having tried it some, I'm defiantly getting L4D. Might not be soon, but I will get it. Defiantly has that "creepy/cheezy/fun zombie movie" feel. I was hoping for brick shittin' but still, it's a fun way to co-op against zombies, and that's what's important!



Oh, and I know it's supposed to have a "zombie movie feel", but I still find it hard to dispense of disbelief when the heroes just happen to stumble across a bunch of weapons, ammo, etc all gathered together in one pile. I mean, I would be nice, and add tension, to make the heroes have to hunt stuff more, and have limited amounts of the stuff (after all, pistols do have unlimited ammo, so players with no shells for the shotty could at least do the akimbo thing...)

[Druzil]

(after all, pistols do have unlimited ammo, so players with no shells for the shotty could at least do the akimbo thing...)

That's part of the movie feel I guess, at least you have to reload them :p

[Noirceur]

What are the weapons exactly.

[guernica]

All I have with me at school is a pretty beefed up laptop. Should easily be able to run it but it is still a little laggy FPS wise. Any tips on how to make it more playable?

[Mirsky]

What are the weapons exactly.

In the level in the demo you start with a single pistol, uzi or pump action shotgun.

Along the way you can pick up a second pistol to go akimbo, an auto shottie (which is godlike), an assault rifle and a hunting rifle with scope. The hunting rifle seems a bit out of place in a subway however.

As for CaptCommie's comments on staying still; this is correct up to a point. If you hang around too long or go back the director has a penchant for sending lots of smokers and/or a horde or two in order to get you to move along.

[CaptCommy]

In the level in the demo you start with a single pistol, uzi or pump action shotgun.

Along the way you can pick up a second pistol to go akimbo, an auto shottie (which is godlike), an assault rifle and a hunting rifle with scope. The hunting rifle seems a bit out of place in a subway however.

As for CaptCommie's comments on staying still; this is correct up to a point. If you hang around too long or go back the director has a penchant for sending lots of smokers and/or a horde or two in order to get you to move along.

Right, that's why you stand still when killing, then move forward as soon as it's clear enough. I believe that was point #4 :P

[Noirceur]

Doesn't sound like a great selection, though it doesn't seem to be focused on that. What are these smokers?

[Maddog]

zombies with really long tongues that shoot out and grab you and drag you away towards them so they can rape you. When you kill them they release a bunch of smoke that makes it hard to see / talk (effects the voice chat) if you're in it

[CaptCommy]

Doesn't sound like a great selection, though it doesn't seem to be focused on that. What are these smokers?

Just play the friggen demo. It's not about how shiny your shotgun is, it's about how awesome the zombies look when their head explodes.

Plus, it's a source game. You can mod it.

[BattleWhack]

I actually love the hunting rifle now. Fucking powerful, accurate, and scoped for extra win. It's of limited use in the subways, but I can see it being way more awesome in the later levels.

A single center mass shot with that thing takes a zombie out.

[Discobird]

Hmm so apparently you can melee a teammate or shoot the tongue to release him from a Smoker's grasp. And teammates are invulnerable to FF when they're being choked by a Smoker or pinned by a Hunter. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8434932&postcount=11)

[Mystrick]

Yeah just get the damn game you frenchy

[guernica]

Hmm so apparently you can melee a teammate or shoot the tongue to release him from a Smoker's grasp. And teammates are invulnerable to FF when they're being choked by a Smoker or pinned by a Hunter. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8434932&postcount=11)

I meleed the tongue of a smoker as it tried to drag my teammate through the subway. Sliced that bitch right off.

Tanks are a mother fucker. That is all.

[Apoc]

I actually love the hunting rifle now. Fucking powerful, accurate, and scoped for extra win. It's of limited use in the subways, but I can see it being way more awesome in the later levels.

A single center mass shot with that thing takes a zombie out.

Oh man it's awesome when dealing with lined-up and/or massed zombies. Why? Because it goes through them and hits the zombie or two behind the first one. Really efficient way to deal with the ones who are stacked in the subway cars, as well as taking out smokers/hunters when someone who is lagging behind/running ahead gets jumped. I didn't use the damned thing the first few times I played because I didn't think it would be effective. I think a good combo is to have one hunting rifle, one auto-shotty, and two assault rifles in the group. All distances and situations get covered with such a set-up. Just like starting out two shotguns and two uzis seems to be a balanced group.

[Mystrick]

I love the pump shotgun but not the auto shotgun. It's powerful and epic, but the reload and rate of fire isn't likeable. I really like the rifle for the reason you stated up there Apoc, but the assault rifle is an all around favorite :p

Hate the uzi.

[HarryB]

Doesn't sound like a great selection, though it doesn't seem to be focused on that. What are these smokers?

Stop being a gun nerd and play the game.

It isn't about the guns, it's about watching the zombies run around and curb stomp people.

[Mirsky]

the uzi really does suck. it burns through your ammo and since there's only one ammo restock in the first level (at the beginning) once you've shot your load that's game over.

[Lord Kelvin]

Eh, I personally liked the Uzi, it's pretty useful for burning through a mob, especially if you're aiming from the side when they're all trying to swarm another guy on your team. But then again, whenever I had the Uzi I used my pistol whenever I could.

Assault rifle is OK, but not so much for dealing with swarms. It's super accurate so it's useful for picking off stray zombies between mob swarms or when you need to kill a Hunter or Smoker from a distance.

Haven't tried the hunting rifle, so can't say anything about it. May try it over the weekend though.

[Noirceur]

what are the smokers though.

[HarryB]

Already answered up above. THey're boss zombies that can launch their 50 foot tongue at players to try to pull them towards them or constrict them. If a player gets caught, someone else has to bring their grip either by chopping off their tongue or killing them. If they kill them, they explode and shoot smoke everywhere that makes it hard to see and muffles your voice chat.

Also watch this. http://www.left4dead411.com/left-4-dead-nov5-preview-3

-e- There aren't very many smokers in the first video, but on the second, you see a bunch all over the place..

[Makai Goblin]

...once you've shot your load that's game over.

That's what she said!

:lincoln:

[CaptCommy]

The Uzi is a fantastic weapon, but you can't spray with it, ever. Just crouch and head snipe. Quick bursts will down most anything. And then if you really get in the shit, you can just spray people's heads. It's a really nice weapon, just hard to use.

Sames goes for the M4, though it's a bit easier. I just stay low and remove everyone's heads. I'm a fuckin surgeon.

[StandingCow]

The M4 is fucking amazing.. and great at keeping hordes back. Heatshots galore! :D

[BattleWhack]

What rifle is the "hunting rifle"?

[Agent Law]

What rifle is the "hunting rifle"?
The scoped M14-like thingy. Never paid any attention to the actual look of the weapon. The whole "screaming undead" thing is enough to keep you occupied.

[Mystrick]

Looks like a ruger mini-14 to me

[Druzil]

that's what i thought, a mini-14

[Fenrir]

Hey guys

Trueweltall51 thats me in the group. I wanna play.

[BattleWhack]

I fucking love the mini-14, then.

I singlehandedly fucking owned the witch with that thing tonight. It also shoots through fucking zombies (as druz found out when I shot him through a Z).

[guernica]

I think the witch is easier to kill than tanks. Everyone always tries to slink by the witch without disturbing her. Man, fuck that. I want to do mankind a favor and eradicate that evil temptress (she needs to lay off the meth if she wants to ever be pretty).

Clarification: Obviously she is easier to kill because she doesn't have the massive hitpoints that the tank does, but those dagger fingers sure love to give an instant death colonoscopy.

[Lord Kelvin]

Both times I ever tried to take on a Witch, I've been one-shotted by the fucking thing. As opposed to the two times when I took on a Tank, only got killed once.

[Agent Law]

The first time I fought the witch, she just ran around like a batshit crack whore, and just kept taking pot shots at her until she ran off. Second time... well, that was a bad round. One of the guys here threw a Molotov at her.

[vecdran]

Molotov + Repeated Hunting Rifle Headshots = Really Dead Witch

[Vatek]

Last night I found a Witch immediately outside the safe room...I walked past her, shot her, and shut the door.

Didn't quite have the effect I was hoping for though. She just mindlessly beat on the invulnerable saferoom door while my teammates all shot her in the back until she died.

[HarryB]

Last night I found a Witch immediately outside the safe room...I walked past her, shot her, and shut the door.

Didn't quite have the effect I was hoping for though. She just mindlessly beat on the invulnerable saferoom door while my teammates all shot her in the back until she died.

We did that as well. Except someone had the smart idea to throw a molatov at her. She then proceeded to run around catching everyone on fire.

[Maddog]

yea, starting to think molatov's against tanks and witches is a bad ideaq

[Mystrick]

It's always a good idea

[Mirsky]

We did that as well. Except someone had the smart idea to throw a molatov at her. She then proceeded to run around catching everyone on fire.

I think I accidentally did that last night.

[Apoc]

I molotov tanks, witches, and any survivors who might be incapacitated in the general vicinity of said opponents. :fier:

[Lord Kelvin]

I rarely ever used Molotovs except when I can predict a swarm, pipe bombs are more useful IMO since you can just throw one and they'll all chase it.

[BattleWhack]

Oh I adore molotovs. Fire just makes everything more epic.

Saferoom doors are NOT invulnerable.

Tank came after druz through one.

[GrosPoisson]

Downloading now, spam me at [OTF]GrosPoisson if you want to play :D

[StandingCow]

Oh I adore molotovs. Fire just makes everything more epic.

Saferoom doors are NOT invulnerable.

Tank came after druz through one.

Yep, was going to point this out... don't assume that the door will stop a tank, you will be in for a surprise. :)

[Yiggs]

I want this game but I'm broke :(

[ScAvenger001]

Seems like a lot of people are online now. Anyone up for a round or two?

[Maddog]

sure

-e- teh hell? steam servers down for maintenance?

[ScAvenger001]

Yeah, I noticed that. They seem to be up again thouhg. Login again and I'll send you an invite.

-e- I keep getting a message that says my steam connection was lost, I'll try restarting it...

[GrosPoisson]

My shit crashed earlier today when I made the lobby, sorry about that guys. First the buggy textures, and then that; game doesn't like me much I think.

[ScAvenger001]

And now the game is full.

[Maddog]

steam is fucked tonight

[Lord Kelvin]

Dammit, on the day that my dad decides to cancel DSL at home, dropping my gaming computer back to 56k...

[BattleWhack]

Dammit, on the day that my dad decides to cancel DSL at home, dropping my gaming computer back to 56k...

Who the right fuck uses 56k anymore? I get pissy if I ping above 50 these days.

Anyway, L4D is next "epic" game, calling it now.

That being said, what are some of you guys minor gripes about it?

Couple of mine are the weapons, both the animations, and stuff like 50 round mags for the AR...

Also, I like how it slows you down when you start getting hurt, but I feel like everything is much too fast when you're fully healed. Even the Z's move a TAD bit too fast.

[Mirsky]

Personally I think it's going to get boring fast, and although there's alot of buzz about it now, once you guys get bored trying to put together a decent game will be hard.

I don't really see the random game with strangers being used alot. So far, every time I've tried that I've been put in lobbies with people that can't speak english (and I'm not talking about American college kids ! :) )

[BattleWhack]

I dunno Mirsk, the group of guys that I play with are pretty reliable and entertaining. I seriously doubt I'll play with pubbies much, if ever.

[Lord Kelvin]

Hmm, semi-false alarm. I still have DSL until the 19th, and my brother's looking for a new ISP to replace. I might be able to get online tonight to play.

[Apoc]

Demo got updated tonight. Steam groups can now form their own games. I'm about to start a lobby. Join, fuckers.

November 14, 2008 - Left 4 Dead Demo Update Released

Updates to Left 4 Dead Demo have been released. The updates will be applied automatically when your Steam client is restarted. The specific changes include:

Left 4 Dead Demo


Added the ability to tie game servers to Steam Community groups. Group administrators can now see the GroupID on the group's administrative page, which can be used as the value for sv_steamgroup. Users that are in that group will then be able to browse directly to them from the main menu


Fixed setinfo exploit

Fixed a crash when exiting the game

Fixed a few cases where the game would crash when using ALT-TAB

Fixed a problem that could cause texture corruption on some ATI video cards

Fixed a bug that could cause infected horde to disappear

[Mirsky]

Fixed a problem that could cause texture corruption on some ATI video cards

looks like they fixed neko's issue!

[Lord Kelvin]

I've been getting serious connection issues every time I try to play, so no can do for now, sadly.

[Apoc]

I think the problem right now is that the update hasn't reached many of the dedicated servers, making it so that the only games that can happen are locally hosted. Hence, why you and Scav were having problems connecting to my game just now.

[ScAvenger001]

My connection issue with you was different from my usual one, and I was fine as long as Kelvin wasn't there (I don't think that was specific to kelvin, but rather an issue with the number of people you could host without all of us lagging out). My connection issue from before was that I'd join the lobby and then Steam would drop me and boot me out of the lobby.

Maybe they fixed it? Or maybe it's ok as long as I join a game already in progress, but I'm out of luck with lobbies?

[GrosPoisson]

looks like they fixed neko's issue!

Mine too. Yesssssss :cool:

[HarryB]

Personally I think it's going to get boring fast, and although there's alot of buzz about it now, once you guys get bored trying to put together a decent game will be hard.

I don't really see the random game with strangers being used alot. So far, every time I've tried that I've been put in lobbies with people that can't speak english (and I'm not talking about American college kids ! :) )

Once people are able to play as the zombies, I see the game becoming more competitive. Also, it's fun to play through with your own stipulations.

Like last night were Sparkky, Netshark, Apoc, and I ran around with only our medkits and beat everything to shit. I was awesome and hilarious.

[CaptCommy]

Yeah, I don't see this having any less replay value than, say, CS:S. The randomization keeps it interesting every time, at least for me. And I've run this damn thing more than just about anyone at this point.

[Agent Law]

Any of y'all up for a game, or is it too late right now?

[Noirceur]

I can say with confidence that this will be the first game I buy, after WoW LK that is.

[Fenrir]

Me and law have a game up if you nubs wanna join

[HodgeMASHEEN MkIII]

steam ID Fen?

[Fenrir]

Trueweltall51

[ScAvenger001]

"lol, we're doing pretty well!" "oh shit, horde! oh shit, boomer plus another horde! oh shit, our last guy standing's getting raped by a smoker!"

[Agent Law]

Yeah, great job jinxing us.

[SinistralRifleman]

[CAV]SinistralRifleman ....I'm playing now

[HarryB]

Put your damn OTF tags on our I'll hunt down the whole.

[cpt.mars]

anyone up for a demo game?

E: nevermind, seeing as I can't connect to a single server after the new patch...

[BattleWhack]

I haven't played for like 2 days now and it's killing me.

[Fenrir]

I am game to play

[Fenrir]

I cant connect to any game so I guess this patch screwed us

[Agent Law]

The patch totally broke everything. The second level safe room is all bugged.

[Mirsky]

I played fine and then blue screened on exit. I really think my main hard drive is riddled with bad sectors.

[Fenrir]

man that was fun shit guys

[Mystrick]

Yeah that was pretty bad ass, especially when you're rushing

[SWATJester_os]

[CAV]SinistralRifleman ....I'm playing now

Wrong. [OTF]SinistralRifleman[CAV].

-e- or [OTF]CAV-SinistralRifleman. Either is acceptable

[Fenrir]

Anyone up for a game? I am on steam.

Trueweltall51

[Lord Kelvin]

I have work to do today, but I might be able to slip in a game or two later.

[BattleWhack]

FUUUUUCCCCKKK

Just saw the commercial on spike.

Next 2 days are going to be sloooowwwww

[Mystrick]

Tuesday? Fucking tight. And wow, I can't believe HL has been out for 10 years. 10 years of my life put into gaming, 10 years of chubbiness :(

Yeah, HL + TFC + pepsi + not doing anything = getting fat

[Agent Law]

Ten years well spent, TBQH.

[Mystrick]

Yeah :)

News flash: TKing and rushing make this game more fun

[Glock23]

news flash, watching yiggi hop out of the vent and run by me as a smoker tries to pull me backwards into the vent and knock me down, and then berate me for getting knocked down in easy makes me equal parts laugh and RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE

[Mystrick]

Easy is SO fucking easy

[SinistralRifleman]

Wrong. [OTF]SinistralRifleman[CAV].

-e- or [OTF]CAV-SinistralRifleman. Either is acceptable

Allright you faygorts I changed it...now where is everyone?

[Yiggs]

me and apoc are waiting for more doods!

[Yiggs]

news flash, watching yiggi hop out of the vent and run by me as a smoker tries to pull me backwards into the vent and knock me down, and then berate me for getting knocked down in easy makes me equal parts laugh and RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEE

That was when you went fucking idle all the time. I swear it was the bot playing you, that's why I left you.

[Lord Kelvin]

Fucking hell, I still keep getting connection problems. I'm seriously suspecting that either my brother did something to the router or the router is broken...

[BattleWhack]

Aye, I'm getting connection problems as well.. Bordinko and I cannot seem to join each others games... Kelvin joined mine just fine, then dropped or left or something.

[Lord Kelvin]

I joined, then got connection problems just as that mob killed me. And got it again while I was trying to shoot at them and again after I got up.


With the demo ending tomorrow, I can't see how I could possibly continue to play without buying it, which I can't due to monetary issues, unless they fix this issue. :(

[BattleWhack]

I've already pre-loaded it, so my only worry at this point is server connectivity...

[Agent Law]

Steam is gonna craaaaash on Tuesday.

[SWATJester_os]

Steam is gonna craaaaash on Tuesday.

Maybe, maybe not. Lots of people just preloaded it.

[Agent Law]

I didn't mean that in any seriousness. :)

[SinistralRifleman]

ARGH! It keeps lagging for me and disconnecting me like crazy

[Mystrick]

So BW was messing around in the console and it said cheats enabled. Then about 5 minutes later we got attacked by 6 hordes in consecutive order. Yeah, 6 fucking hordes. It was ridiculous.

[Discobird]

welcome to playing with BW

[HarryB]

There should be a director mode where 1 player gets to unleash events without directly controlling them. So if the players reach certain requirements, the director can summon one of the zombie players to a certain area. I'm pretty sure a human could better place some of the smokers.

[Discobird]

Do human infected get to choose their own spawn points in Versus?

-e- yeah it looks like they can: http://kotaku.com/5064318/why-left-4-dead-versus-isnt-horde-mode

[BattleWhack]

The only reason the hordes stopped is because I turned 'em back off. Infinite hordes are funnnnn....

[Agent Law]

When this game comes out, we gotta play at least one round with infinite hordes, but, in exchange, we get infinite ammo, molotovs and pipe bombs.

[Airborne506]

Sinistral decided to tightrope walk on the roof and while it took 3 of us to help him (he ultimately fell to an untimely death), a boomer and about 15 infected decided to bumrush the starting roof. Not cool.

[SinistralRifleman]

Sinistral decided to tightrope walk on the roof and while it took 3 of us to help him (he ultimately fell to an untimely death), a boomer and about 15 infected decided to bumrush the starting roof. Not cool.

I didn't even see that shit??? It said "trying to reconnect"....I connect back just in time to see myself falling off the edge. I couldn't play worth a shit with as many disconnects as I was getting.

[Mirsky]

Meh, you can bypass that entire building by walking off the roof onto the air conditioners in the alleyway. You only loose 12 HP doing it.

[BattleWhack]

Yeah but whats the fun in that :)

E: I slept in extra late today. Going to be a hell of a marathon gaming session tonight, hopefully.

[HarryB]

Meh, you can bypass that entire building by walking off the roof onto the air conditioners in the alleyway. You only loose 12 HP doing it.

Yeah but isn't as fun.


Though I did read that one did that, ran to the end and shot the car with the alarm, then ran to the saferoom. By the time the others had left the building, there was a shit ton of zombies pouring towards the building.

[Mystrick]

Hahahahaha

[nojmaster]

play.com (http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/5826422/Left-4-Dead/Product.html) is doing a cheap deal on L4D at the mo, cheaper than via steam, at least for UK customers - £22.99. I've got my order in.

[Discobird]

Left 4 Dead 4 $40 at Circuit City (http://news.bigdownload.com/2008/11/16/circuit-city-offers-10-off-pc-left-4-dead/)

[BattleWhack]

I'm thinking about taking a nap till midnight.

[Apoc]

That's about $35 bucks US, compared to $45 through Steam. For once you trans-Atlanteans actually get a better deal.

[Discobird]

Amazon UK is even cheaper: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Left-4-Dead-PC-DVD/dp/B001GIOGDW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1226952502&sr=8-1

[Mirsky]

Yeah but isn't as fun.


Though I did read that one did that, ran to the end and shot the car with the alarm, then ran to the saferoom. By the time the others had left the building, there was a shit ton of zombies pouring towards the building.



LOL, I really have to try to try that.

[Apoc]

LOL, I really have to try to try that.

I tried it with bots a little while ago but they get to warp through the level when you get too far away from them. Fuckers. :gun: