Looking into EVE

[Matt]

So I'm thinking about playing EVE soon and I wanted to know a few things before I jump right in. First, is it pretty easy to start playing? Or is it some fuck all learning curve? Secondly, how much is the monthly fee? I looked around and couldn't find it. Thirdly, is the trial period offered pretty good in getting the player the used to the game, or is it by the time the trial is up you are just getting the hang of it? Finally, if I did play, can I join VHI?
:lincoln:

[BattleWhack]

1. EVE is probably the most difficult game to learn ever made, and certainly it's got the steepest curve of any MMO out there (There's a funny picture floating around illustrating that.)

2. The monthly cost is either ~15/mo OR if you're a real tycoon you can actually pay your subscription using ingame money (isk) but it's kind of out most peoples ability to do that.

3. The trial period is good for weeding out those who won't hack it, and kind of teaches you the basics. It's been forever since I've seen the "new player experience" so I don't know exactly, but I think they've streamlined everything to be much better nowadays.

4. If you manage to not ragequit in the first week or two, you'll probably be eligible to join Molotov's "training corporation" which is ideal for new players, as it steers them in the right direction.

Make no mistake, Eve is a niche game for sure. You'll either hate it or love it. For me, and people like Druz, it's the most addicting game we've ever played, and we've both played shit like Diablo II, so we know what that means.

It's a harsh game that will not coddle you, or hold your hand. Punishment is swift and merciless, by either ingame police or other people. It's a "PVP Game" in the most pure form, even if you sit in a station all day long and play the market, you're still competing against other people doing the same.

Both Solidsnake and Killerfluffy are recent noobs to eve that are more or less successful, you'd do well with conferring with them.

If you have any specific questions, fire them off here. This particular forum may appear dead, but it's only the front to the larger and more active member forum, so we are reading this part too ;)

[Matt]

Ok. I'll have to start a trial account soon and see if I can get a hang of it. EVE seems real interesting to me, much more than WoW or any other MMORPG out there. I tried NavyField for a while but I just never really got the hang of it. Thanks for the help BW and I'll let you know how my progress is coming.

[BattleWhack]

Once you get the gist of things, and find out how to join channels, join "The Rehab Clinic" channel, in game. It's the public channel for this alliance.

[Matt]

Will do. Do you have any suggestions on what career path I should start? I've done some reading on mining and trading and both sound pretty lucrative and fairly easy to start.

[Spizzy]

Mining gets you money right off the bat, but gets extremely boring. Missions are a good way to make isk, and will be soemthing you'll do at some point anyway. Trading is good if you understand the market, but not really anything you can do when your new to the game. Luckily, there are no classes, or set careers, so you can do whatever. Maybe mine enough to get a decent frig, then start grinding missions for standings.

[BattleWhack]

You're best bet is to roll a combat character, do some easy missions to get a feel for the controls, and then later on if you feel bored or stoned, try some mining. It's boring as shit :p

Combat is where its at.

[Jan Blackoak]

do the tutorial for the love of god

9/10 times when i get asked a question by a noobie the answer is in that

[Splitlip]

yeah. do the tutorial at least once, twice(with another character) if you are fuzzy about stuff. the new one is kinda long, but you end up with a decent amount of money at the end from what I read.

[BattleWhack]

Money, what?! When I did the tutorial it dumped me off with like 45k, a noobship, and a fucking unit of trit.

Back in MY day... *grumble*

[Captain Colon]

don't worry, he'll still be miserable...since the latest patch you start off with all your stats at 8 and 20k sp, so you can't even play the game for a month

[killerfluffy]

Um.

No.

[Captain Colon]

i guess it would've been too much effort for you to just make a new character and see for yourself huh, you fucking douchebag

http://www.offtopicbutts.com/newchar1.jpg
http://www.offtopicbutts.com/newchar2.jpg

eat a dick

[Bloopgun Mk2]

the new player experiance has been buffed actually, now you start off with alot of skillpoints, and at least 1 skill at level 5. Still, don't expect to be very good at anything for at least 6 months, most of the time you'll spend training skills and if you don't watch it, spend alot of time in the cloning vats.

[Captain Colon]

that's strange because i seem to not have any skills at all, and neither do all the people complaining in noobcorp chat that their chars suck

[BattleWhack]

Bloop's info is out of date, actually.

The newest version of new char's (as CC's pictures represent) actually start off with next to nothing;

BUT

And this is a huge BUTT (the way I like 'em) - You're training speed is doubled for a period of time, until you reach about 1.6 million skillpoints. This allows you to specialise how you want, instead of starting off with a mass of skills you'll probably not want or need.

Also, with those 2 skill remaps available, you're able to swap your learning ability later on for a more efficient skilling plan.

Trust me, this newest version is the best it's been yet.

[BattleWhack]

If I were to just start out, what I personally would do is immediately train up cybernetics to use +4 implants, get a set of those, train learning skills (basics to 5/advanced to 4) and then once that's done, remap my attributes into something strongly favoring perception and willpower.

That's just me though.

Also, CC, don't be a noob, and don't listen to the other noobs. Those are the people that will quit after 2-3 weeks, if that.

[Captain Colon]

ah, so he's just gonna pull 100mil out of his ass for implants :rolleyes:

i got double training time up to 1.6mil sp with my my char too...and i started with around 800k sp. my stats are currently sitting at 16/18/9/10/16 without any of my first-tier learning skills maxed...that's about where he's going to get with his first-tier skills maxed AND 500mil worth of implants. it's stupid

i don't recall having any skills i didn't want or need when i made me char either...in fact i was quite pleasantly surprised to see that i started with frig 5 and gunnery 5 right off the bat :cool: as far as skills go i could've been in an AF in 5 days AND been able to use it pretty effectively


but i'm just bitter cause i didn't realize shit was going to get retarded or i would've made my mining/industrial alt before the patch :cool:

[Jan'z Kolna]

back in 2006 i started with 230k sp and no advice whatsoever :)

compared to that , current system ain't that bad, although starting with 800k sp was better imo

iirc tutorial 10 tutorial missions give something close to 1mil isk + 2 frigates, so they're worth doing

and there are also epic arc missions , available for new players only , quick money and standings for higher level missions

[Captain Colon]

I think I started around 150k in '05. It always made sense that they would buff new characters a little bit every once in a while...give them the chance to eventually catch up with the really old characters in sp. This just strikes me as a HUGE step backwards in making the game accessible to new players. Sure the tutorials are great now and actually explain how to play, but what happens in a couple months when the people know how the game works and realize that they're gimped as hell compared to people who made characters a couple weeks before them? I can't see how it's a good move from any perspective except that of oldschool players who want to keep their lead...the new system isn't so bad IF you're making an alt and have the money to fit yourself out with +4 implants.

[Jan Blackoak]

according to the people who play eve with their calculators you hit that 1.6M mark or w/e faster then you would otherwise thanks to the bonus.

that is counting both noob training plans or doing the min maxing like kenny thinks you can do.

[Matt]

Any suggestion on what ship to get? I know I'll be getting a frigate, from what I've read.

[Jan'z Kolna]

as minmatar pilot i suggest rifter, cuz we minnies are uber

[Spizzy]

Someone I know just did the tutorial again to see how it changed and he ended up with a few ships. I guess they just give them to you as you go now. That should get you where you need to be to run missions at least. The best ship he got was a tristan so I'd guess if you roll minnie you'll get a rifter (they are equivilent ships, just different races)

[killerfluffy]

i guess it would've been too much effort for you to just make a new character and see for yourself huh, you fucking douchebag


eat a dick

Waa

I started a new character about a month and a half ago, right now its got 3.1M skill points, 6 support skills to V including Electronics, Engineering, Energy Systems Operation, Gunnery, mechanic and Missile Launcher Operation. Right now my stats are Perception 27; Willpower 20; Intelligence 16; Memory 16. Thats using +3 implants and not having any learning skills maxed. This system actually allows for people to become more familiar with small-ship tactics with frigates, either tackling for PVP or just learning how to effectively blow up ships and get familiar with flying ships while you train up your support skills. You can mine or mission just fine during the first month or so, also, you're less likely to waste SP on stupid shit that you'll never use, so long as you listen to the people that've been playing for a while longer than you.

That 1.6m skill points at double speed can be pretty fucking sweet. Also, if you talk with people in CPP they may be willing to spot you the money for +3's or advanced learning skill books, so long as you're actually going to stick it out.

But hey man, go ahead and make assumptions about things and call people names, it makes you seem really cool.

[Tori Storm]

Also, if you talk with people in CPP they may be willing to spot you the money for +3's or advanced learning skill books, so long as you're actually going to stick it out.


Unlikely for someone who isnt even in cpp :p

[Captain Colon]

I started a new character about a month and a half ago
Guess you'd know all about making a character after a patch that was released two weeks ago then huh. God you're a retarded dick.
But hey man, go ahead and make assumptions about things and call people names, it makes you seem really cool.
Go ahead and keep acting like a know-it-all snob when you have no idea what you're talking about :) I mean shit, I posted the screens proving you wrong and you still try to argue?
according to the people who play eve with their calculators you hit that 1.6M mark or w/e faster then you would otherwise thanks to the bonus.

that is counting both noob training plans or doing the min maxing like kenny thinks you can do.
Well like I said, on my char I had double training time AND good stats+good starting skillset


Matt, these are the top T1 frigs for each race:

Amarr - Punisher
Caldari - Kestrel (if I remember right...haven't played with their stuff much)
Gallente - Incursus (Tristan is also an option but takes more skills and IIRC doesn't have as much damage output, although it has more equipment slots)
Minmatar - Rifter

Since you start out with nothing now, you're not really confined by your race as to what you can hop into quickly, although you'll have a couple level 1 or 2 skills that make it easier to get into your race's ships. IMO the Rifter is the best frig by a long shot, it's fast and beats the shit out of everything.

[Borris Bovishnikov]

caldari's top tier t1 frig is the merlin. however like the tristan it has split weapon systems and as such many people who have no gun skills use the kestrel

[Captain Colon]

Ah...I remember missioning in a Merlin on my other char but that was cause he was Gallente :cool:

[killerfluffy]

Guess you'd know all about making a character after a patch that was released two weeks ago then huh. God you're a retarded dick.

Those changes weren't made in the last patch, they were made when Apocrypha went live, check the patch notes if you don't believe me.

Go ahead and keep acting like a know-it-all snob when you have no idea what you're talking about :) I mean shit, I posted the screens proving you wrong and you still try to argue?

The only way you would've had the 2x training time and the 800k worth of stats would've been if you started a character before Apocrypha came out, but didn't train any skills. That way you would've had the buffed starting skills and the 100% bonus to skills since you wouldn't have had 1.6m skill points yet. However, you wouldn't have the 2x neural remaps that characters post Apocrypha get, thus making min-maxing a lot easier.

Why I'm arguing with you about this is beyond me. Matt, if you've got any questions feel free to shoot me an IM.

[Matt]

Thanks KF.

[Matt]

Ok I started a new character, did the tutorial and some mining. I'm actually getting the hang of it. I'm just not sure what I should do next. Any suggestions?

Also, what skills should I start to train?

[Druzil]

what's your character name?

[Matt]

It's EmTea

[Druzil]

well what the fuck faggot, get online

[Captain Colon]

well what the fuck faggot, get online
QFE get on cockbreath

let me know if you need isk for skillbooks or whatever shit, Zoomjap ololo :cool: