NCAA Men's Football Megathread "What is happening to the Bowdens edition"

[SWATJester_os]

Let's have this be the megathread for all things college football.

Week 1 starts Sept. 3, and already there's some interesting changes. For instance, what the hell is happening with the Bowden dynasty? FSU has been terrible since I first got there in 2001, Terry Bowden is coaching a division IIA team, Jeff Bowden got fired from FSU as offensive coordinator and now is volunteering for Terry at North Alabama, Tommy Bowden quit at Clemson after barely breaking even in 2008.

Is this the beginning of the end of the Bowden dynasty? I mean, Bobby doesn't have a whole lot more in him, and he'll be lucky to live through the end of the next season.


Also in other news: Orrin Hatch (Yes, Senator Orrin Hatch), wrote an interesting article on the BCS reforms here: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4326019

[Moe_Rahn]

this is literally the only thing i have to contribute to a college football discussion

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[Polish Hill]

Sadly the only reason the Senator gave a shit about the BCS was because of the outcome of the 08' Utes season. Just another homer looking out for his team. Not that I think he's wrong, just that its not really out of the blue.

[BlindSite]

I'm more concerned about the continuing watering down of offenses and systems to cater to big mobile QBs which stunts their development rendering them useless in the pros.

Tim Tebow springs to mind, that's one kid who's never going to be an every down QB once he leaves for the NFL.

[SWATJester_os]

Yeah, there's been a distinctive lack of good pocket protection, at least in the ACC and SEC.

[Polish Hill]

I agree that I'm not a huge fan of the whole mobile quarterback for the win but I sure don't want to NCAA to ever become NFL-lite. Some of the best stuff is the variety of offenses and strategies that come from having so many different teams.

[SWATJester_os]

Meh, that's decreasing too. Flexbone? Sure, if you're playing a service academy. Nobody runs the Wishbone anymore.nEveryone basically does an I-formation, spread offense, or runs the option. Come to think of it, I can't think of many teams other than AF, Navy, and Georgia Tech running the triple option instead of an NFL-ish double option. Admittedly, it's more than NFL, true, but it's not as diverse as it once was I think.

[Walnut]

Meh, that's decreasing too. Flexbone? Sure, if you're playing a service academy. Nobody runs the Wishbone anymore.nEveryone basically does an I-formation, spread offense, or runs the option. Come to think of it, I can't think of many teams other than AF, Navy, and Georgia Tech running the triple option instead of an NFL-ish double option. Admittedly, it's more than NFL, true, but it's not as diverse as it once was I think.

That's still better than 31 NFL teams running the I and one using some kind of spread.

[BlindSite]

There's a good mix in the NFL of the W'co, spread, coryell and option/wildcat/coryell retarded baby.

I think it's that the WcO and Belichick coaching trees are growing so massive and sometimes not for the benefit of the league homogenization is expected, the emergence of the wild cat last year though shows us there's always a trick up the sleeve.

[SWATJester_os]

Yeah, Miami has actually made a strong showing with the wildcat offense; the formation is different than the Miami of the late 70's and early-mid 80's but it's got the same "keep 'em guessing" style strategy.

[Polish Hill]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/07/how-much-revenue-did-your-favorite-fbs-school-take-in-in-200708-this-chart-will-tell-you.html

I'm a Penn State alum/fan but I was very surprised how high Big Ten teams were in this revenue chart. Sure this is revenue and not just profits but still, a little surprising in my opinion.

[SWATJester_os]

It's fucking sad that the ACC does not show up until outside the top 20. That's bullshit; what the fuck has happened to that conference?

[Walnut]

It's fucking sad that the ACC does not show up until outside the top 20.

Yeah, and that Duke was the first one to show up...

[Pipes]

I expect the VTech limps into the ACC title game, somehow wins, and then brings their boring shitty offense into a BCS game and makes the ACC look bad trend to continue. Last year they got a lucky draw with an equally bad Cinci team but this year the BE won't be in the Orange Bowl. I'm praying that Clemson or FSU will finally emerge so we don't have to watch "Beamer Ball" during the holidays. Obviously I'm rooting for BC but they took too many hits in the off season so I don't know what to expect.

[Polish Hill]

As long as the Big Ten isn't skewered by fucking USC again this year I will be pleased. I'm getting sick of hearing the Big Ten is overrated argument already and the season hasn't begun. And although I don't really dislike Tim Tebow I pray the Gators lose at least a game and hopefully their inevitable bowl.

[SWATJester_os]

I expect the VTech limps into the ACC title game, somehow wins, and then brings their boring shitty offense into a BCS game and makes the ACC look bad trend to continue. Last year they got a lucky draw with an equally bad Cinci team but this year the BE won't be in the Orange Bowl. I'm praying that Clemson or FSU will finally emerge so we don't have to watch "Beamer Ball" during the holidays. Obviously I'm rooting for BC but they took too many hits in the off season so I don't know what to expect.

BC unfortunately has a much better chance than FSU, which can't seem to focus and train a quarterback to be any good. Clemson had coaching shakeups right?

[Pipes]

Ya the assistant HC is now the HC after they pressured Bowden to leave because he had no balls and wasted great classes.

[SWATJester_os]

Clemson is one of those teams that isn't consistently good, but every now and then they have a year that surprises you.

I think the BC will probably be the team to beat in the ACC this year, injuries or not. Their offensive line is huge and I think mostly seniors, and they have some good young running backs to exploit the holes. It ought to be enough to counter whatever happens at QB.

Virginia Tech and Maryland also ought to be in the top three, rounding out the first tier. Probably followed by Georgia Tech, UNC, FSU, and Clemson in the second tier.

Then the third tier will be probably Wake, NC State and Miami, with UVA and Duke at the bottom again. Actually, Miami might move in to the bottom tier this year, there's really no sign that they're going to turn around at all.

[Polish Hill]

Man what happened to the ACC :(

[Pipes]

Clemson is one of those teams that isn't consistently good, but every now and then they have a year that surprises you.

I think the BC will probably be the team to beat in the ACC this year, injuries or not. Their offensive line is huge and I think mostly seniors, and they have some good young running backs to exploit the holes. It ought to be enough to counter whatever happens at QB.

Virginia Tech and Maryland also ought to be in the top three, rounding out the first tier. Probably followed by Georgia Tech, UNC, FSU, and Clemson in the second tier.

Then the third tier will be probably Wake, NC State and Miami, with UVA and Duke at the bottom again. Actually, Miami might move in to the bottom tier this year, there's really no sign that they're going to turn around at all.

I dunno BC lost their best OLB Herzlich to Ewing's Sarcoma, he was going to be a top 10 pick. Their starting MLB tore his ACL in the offseason, they lost both DT's to the draft, and the if the secondary gets beat they can't recover. HC got fired/quit after he inquired about the Jets job so big changeover in staff. Starting QB just transferred cause he couldn't cut it academically but he sucked anyways. They just signed at 25 year old QB who tested the waters in the minors, Chris Weinke 2 hopefully.

[Pipes]

Man what happened to the ACC :(

It's not like it was ever a great conference, FSU was always good but no one else was ever consistent.

[Walnut]

So the preseason top 25:

1. Florida (53) 0-0 1466 1
2. Texas (4) 0-0 1386 3
3. Oklahoma (1) 0-0 1358 5
4. USC (1) 0-0 1321 2
5. Alabama 0-0 1134 6
6. Ohio State 0-0 1126 11
7. Virginia Tech 0-0 1020 14
8. Penn State 0-0 988 8
9. LSU 0-0 917 NR
10. Mississippi 0-0 889 15
11. Oklahoma State 0-0 861 18
12. California 0-0 711 25
13. Georgia 0-0 707 10
14. Oregon 0-0 694 9
15. Georgia Tech 0-0 559 22
16. Boise State 0-0 542 13
17. TCU 0-0 461 7
18. Utah 0-0 404 4
19. Florida State 0-0 371 23
20. North Carolina 0-0 293 NR
21. Iowa 0-0 257 20
22. Nebraska 0-0 236 NR
23. Notre Dame 0-0 194 NR
24. Brigham Young 0-0 178 21
25. Oregon State 0-0 165 19

I think Ohio State wins the "WTF are they doing so high up" award on this one

[SWATJester_os]

WTF? FSU, Notre Dame, BYU? FSU has a chance, but they'll find a way to blow it. Notre Dame is mediocre at best. BYU doesn't have the staying power. What the hell is UNC even doing on that list?

I would have swapped Ohio State and Penn State.

That preseason list looks all sorts of fucked up, at least by last season's standards. I don't know, maybe things have changed.

[Walnut]

WTF? FSU, Notre Dame, BYU? FSU has a chance, but they'll find a way to blow it. Notre Dame is mediocre at best. BYU doesn't have the staying power. What the hell is UNC even doing on that list?

I would have swapped Ohio State and Penn State.

That preseason list looks all sorts of fucked up, at least by last season's standards. I don't know, maybe things have changed.

Notre Dame is a bit of a LOL, but I can understand the placement. They have talent, they'll get votes based off that alone. Ditto for FSU. BYU has a system that works and a couple good players at important positions, I agree that they're unlikely to stay up that high, though.

UNC, I dunno. I guess there's something I don't know about them.

[Pipes]

ND is always in the preseason top 25 it's hilarious. On PTI yesterday they were saying they could get an at large BCS if they finish 9-3...have you seen their pathetic schedule? I can't remember a more overrated/over hyped team in the last 10 years, I just hope BC beats them again this year to make it 7 in a row.

[Stalin]

Boise State just put the hurt on OU, although all those turnovers were making me sick, plus: 2 missed FGs in a row? WTF?

[SWATJester_os]

Who is psyched for FSU/UM?

[Polish Hill]

God I hate Boise State and that vomit inducing field.

[Stalin]

Wyoming beat...Weber State. Next week: Texass.

[Polish Hill]

Who is psyched for FSU/UM?

The U is down 17-23 right now but they are in the red zone so I'm hoping they can score 7 and steal a win from Bowden. Not sure what that scandal situation is and the record isn't the biggest deal ever but I'd much rather have JoePa with the career wins record than Bowden.

[Pipes]

either FSU is overrated or Miami has improved A LOT

[Stalin]

That was such a sweet game, right down to the wire.

[Polish Hill]

Holy hell I feel bad for FSU fans :(

[SWATJester_os]

either FSU is overrated or Miami has improved A LOT

Probably both.

[Stalin]

I think that Ponder looked pretty good, just a little bit better than Harris. Early on Harris kinda looked like he couldn't respond to blitzes that well, and would air them out or throw it away. Those big throws he had could have gone the other way too. Ponder threw it consistently for moderate gains, and hit a shit ton of different receivers on different routes.

[SWATJester_os]

Ponder has potential but he'll never be a Weinke or a Ward. Hell, he'll never even be a Chris Rix.

[Freshmeat.Popsicle]

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... god damnit oregon.

[Stalin]

Bleh Texass 41-Wyoming 10.

[SWATJester_os]

Man, Clemson almost took GT.

Also, ignoring the UF vs. Troy style games this weekend, what the fuck Cowboys? You let Houston beat you? Is your D that bad?

[BAS]

The last minute of the Ohio State game I probably should have full of RAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE

instead what I felt was more despondency and "well I saw this coming"

but then again I've had years of practice as a Browns and Indians fan

[Pipes]

Went to the BC FSU game yesterday, BC almost blew it. And WTF Swat the cheerleaders FSU sent were dissapoint.

[SWATJester_os]

Went to the BC FSU game yesterday, BC almost blew it. And WTF Swat the cheerleaders FSU sent were dissapoint.

They were probably sucking dick in the parking lot.

[Stalin]

Wyoming beat FAU whoo whoo.

[DasHuhn]

So, is anyone else surprised at how well iowa is doing this year? I just read that on 5 of the 6 polls we're ranked #1, but on the harris we're ranked #8, and thus we're ranked #4 overall.


Why does the harris poll draw so much weight in comparison? (No, really, i've never been all that into these polls)

[Pipes]

So, is anyone else surprised at how well iowa is doing this year? I just read that on 5 of the 6 polls we're ranked #1

Where'd you read that? And I'm not surprised at all because the Big10 is extremely weak this year.

[DasHuhn]

I don't pay all that much attention to football; but i was under the impression 8-0 is pretty good for any team, regardless of division.

Oh, i read it at this (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2323650/bcs_standings_week_2_bcs_rankings_for.html?cat=14) website, specifically this quote:

the top three of the BCS standings are the same as last week, and mirror the AP and USA Today Polls with Florida, Alabama, and Texas sitting in those spots. Up to #4 in the week 2 BCS standings is Iowa, which has moved up from the #6 slot and now is threatening to make a mark on future polls. Iowa is now 8-0 on the season, and has five of the six computers saying that they should be the #1 team in the nation. The thing holding them back the most is the Harris Poll, which has them ranked 8th, and hurts them a lot in these rankings.

[Chunkywheats]

Where'd you read that? And I'm not surprised at all because the Big10 is extremely weak this year.

big 10 is weak every year. And, being ranked #4 is partially a function of a lack of dominance by top teams.

Also, I believe it's high time that notre dame joins a damn conference. They have got to have one of the weakest schedules around, and they are still losing or barely winning games.

[Pipes]

The only way that happens is if NBC doesn't renew their TV contract.

[Stalin]

MWC 3-0 in bowls.

[SWATJester_os]

IF THIS YEAR IS NOT EVIDENCE THAT WE NEED A FUCKING NCAA PLAYOFF AND A BOWL RESTRUCTURING I DONT KNOW WTF IS.......sfsfkasdfasflasdflkasfhkasdklfkasfklasdfk slkdfsdf

[Pipes]

They're just going to give the MWC a BCS tie in.

[Stalin]

That would be good for us but still unfair.

[Pipes]

Fiesta Bowl has no tie ins so it would only make sense.

[Stalin]

Arizona is getting embarrassed.

[Stalin]

MWC 4-0 in bowl games.

[Pipes]

they'll be 5-0 after they prison rape boyzee

[SWATJester_os]

Aaaand Bobby is gone. End of an era.

[Stalin]

they'll be 5-0 after they prison rape boyzee

Indeed.

[Stalin]

I knew I should have posted something about not jinxing them HOLY SHIT DALTON SUCK SOME MORE DICK. Probably his worst game ever, along with TCU's worst in the last two years. D was rushing what? 4? Where were the other 7 guys? Secondary was horrible. This game may have been 17-10 but it didn't feel nearly that close.

[Pipes]

INT return for TD and a fake punt that would have lost the game for them if it failed. Boise is just lucky, they'll be exposed against Vtech next year.

[BAS]

http://kotaku.com/5589158/alabama-gamestops-spoofing-ncaa-11-tebow-cover

[Stalin]

Hilarious.