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General Bordinko
December 10th, 2009, 01:00 AM
C3 - Communicate, command, conquer and intelligence

What is C3I?

You as the player can choose your government and military type and through military, political, economic, espionage and trade you can. The ultimate goal is to unify you nation as the rightful one throughout all the land.

Who's in charge?
I will be the Game Master. Everything will be run through me I will keep track of cash, units, mission outcome. Tato and Swat will be playing as 3rd party NPC nations (think Switzerland and Vatican City respectively) who will act as commentators, mediators and PMC's

What type of Government can I have?
Democracy
Monarchy
Fascism
Dictatorship
Communism

Are there any bonuses to picking a certain type of government?
Yes and there are also disadvantages. You wont know until you pick the one you want.

Can I make an alliance with someone?
Yes, you can also be a dick and attack everyone.

How does cash/supplies/industrial capacity work?
The cash in this game, Dinkos, is the standard currency of the continent. It represents the total purchasing power. Each section of land in the game will have a Dinko value (just like axis and allies). Some lands will have more some will have less. Everyone will know the Dinko production power of the provinces.

How many Dinkos do I start with?
2500

What can I buy with it?
You military for one. You can trade or buy intel, airstrikes, PMC's or just use it for your alliance.

What type of military can I have?

Whatever you want.

10 divisions of M50 Super Shermans
2 Divisions of US Rangers with Leopards in support.
The best part about this game is that you think you know what's best for the military you can choose it. You get to build your military from scratch.

You start at the company level. 4 companies to a brigades 4 to 6 brigades to a division.

When you say scratch you mean anything right?
I can setup Rhodesian infantry supported by modern Chinese MLRS, F35's with nape and snake making a hole for hundreds of T34's to pour through.

What does it cost in Dinkos?

PER TANK Company
WWII equipment (t34/76 M1943, M4A3E8, cromwell's) start at 5 Dinkos
Early Cold war( M48 Pattons, T-54A, Comet) start at 10
Mid Cold War ( M60 Pattons, T-62, Centurion) start at 15
Late Cold War ( M60 Pattons, T-62, Centurion) start at 20
Late Cold war MBT's (M1 Abrahams, T72, Challenger) start at 30
Today (M1A2 SEP, T-90A, Challenger 2, Leopard 2A6 EX) top out at 60

INFANTRY PER company
WWII equipment start at 2 Dinkos
Cold war Start at 4 Dinkos
Today top out at 6 Dinkos

PARA/MARINE/RANGERS PER COMPANY
WWII equipment start at 2 Dinkos
Cold war Start at 5 Dinkos
Today top out at 8 Dinkos

MECH/MOTORIZED INF PER COMPANY
WWII equipment start at 3 Dinkos
Cold war Start at 6 Dinkos
Today top out at 60 Dinkos

Air Force

COMBAT AIRCRAFT PER SQUADRON (A10's to F22's) (2 planes)
WWII equipment start at 3 Dinkos
Cold war Start at 6 Dinkos
Today top out at 11 Dinkos

BOMBERS PER SQUADRON (B17 to B1B)(2 planes)
WWII equipment start at 3 Dinkos
Cold war Start at 6 Dinkos
A B2 Squadron with 6 1000lb JDAMS tops the list at 100 Dinkos


Is there a minimum and a maximum of divisions that I need?
Yes, you need a minimum of one army division made up of 4 brigades.

Do I start with any military units or do I have to build them all?
Yes and No. In addition to your minimum one division you have a hq division which will act as your republican guard, royal guard, ect,ect there is something special about this one. you can make in any way you want to at no cost. If you want you can ask me to create it for you.


The Unit and Division Primer can be found here.

http://forums.otfnation.com/showthread.php?p=911093

How will combat be resolved?
I will be using a game called Steel Panthers: Main Battle Tank to resolve the battles. The game spans JAN 1946 until DEC 2020 and has every conceivable iteration of weapon systems. I will take the units that you give me and have them fight. They can either fight over objectives, like airbases forts and cities. Or they can fight to the death to inflict the most damage until the turn ends. At the end of the fight a list of what has been destroyed and what side has been the winner.

Land will be lost or gained. Divisions will tally losses, morale and combat experience will be gained or lost.

Is there anything else special with combat?
Yes. Before each battle is fought I will roll one die. That number will be the random number. I will then roll a die for each brigade that is about to fight for each side. Matching rolls will be used on this table.

1 Defending units entrenched, attacking units placed forward
2 Scout Sniper team
3 Attack Helicopter squadron
4 Battalion Arty
5 CAS Strike
6 Victory Point

Wait Experience?
Yes all units that survive battle will have a modifier added to them based on how well they won or how badly they lost. That will stay with the unit as long as it survives.

How does morale work?
There are two types of morale. Troop and population. some governments don't worry about the morale of the population while others live and die by it. Depending on how well you fought your morale will go up and down. If morale gets too low revolution would be in the wind and your troops will break and run at the first sign of trouble.


If I lose a battle can I rebuild my army?
Yes, a cost will be associated to how much you lost in the skirmish it could range from the price of a company or an entire battalion

How long will it take to reinforce units/build new divisions?
Each turn will be considered a week. For new units it will take 2 complete turns. for reinforcements it will take 1 turn.

If I don't like something about my nation can I change it?
Yes. I'll do something called "Real World Effect" Say you want to re institute slave labor. I will tell you it can be done but morale of your nation will go down over time but cash will go up.


I have attached a unit and division list you can play around with setting up your divisions.

IF YOU DON'T READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD DON'T SIGN UP

There are 10 open slots sign up now.

1.Captain Colon
2. Fallschirmjager
3.Matt
4.CaptAsshat
5.Capt Commie
6.BAS
7.Mystrick
8.Denwad
9.Polish Hill/Fork
10.Scav
11. Gros
12. Arttemis
13. DasHun
14. Open
15. Open

Modest Genius
December 10th, 2009, 01:09 AM
sounds interesting, but there's no way I have time for this right now

CaptCommy
December 10th, 2009, 01:19 AM
EDIT: I'm in.

Captain Colon
December 10th, 2009, 01:20 AM
fuck yeah let's do this

Metalslug
December 10th, 2009, 01:29 AM
Im down, i will lose and i have no clue wtf i am doing.

DIBS ON MOTHER RUSSIA!

VDV'S EQUIPPED WITH AN-94'S DRIVING STOLEN GEORGIAN JEEPS FUCK YEAR, can i purchase M113's from the USA? I know im a sick bastard BUT I NEED IT.

MatthewMarchand
December 10th, 2009, 01:31 AM
I think we are inventing our own countries...

Fuck it, I will play, but can we start after christmas?

General Bordinko
December 10th, 2009, 01:31 AM
The Continent of Aries.

The start time is whenever we want to.

Metalslug
December 10th, 2009, 01:33 AM
Oh shit i call the Bottom right country, NON SHALL PASS!

MatthewMarchand
December 10th, 2009, 01:36 AM
If I can call one, I would like the North-West island with the 4 bridges please.

edit:

The one that sort of looks like a cock.

Captain Colon
December 10th, 2009, 01:49 AM
Oh shit i call the Bottom right country, NON SHALL PASS!
i would let them pass so they could walk into the ocean


but then i am a master strategist

SWATJester_os
December 10th, 2009, 02:23 AM
Muaahaha (posting in epic thread).

Also, keep on the lookout for other threads in this forum titled [C3I].

CapnAsshat
December 10th, 2009, 02:32 AM
I call the top left. I can't open your file either, but I'll be able to shortly.

Lord Kelvin
December 10th, 2009, 02:42 AM
At first I thought, "MegaMek campaign again?" Then I saw that it didn't stand for the C3 computer :(

CaptCommy
December 10th, 2009, 03:03 AM
Fuck it, I'm claiming a spot before this shit fills. I'll fucking make time, promise.

Yiggs
December 10th, 2009, 03:05 AM
Looks fun but looks a little too complicated :E

General Bordinko
December 10th, 2009, 03:05 AM
So who do we have?

Captain Colon
Metalslug
Matt
CaptAsshat
Capt Commie

what's with the file not working? it's just a zip and excel files.

It may feel complicated but it will be easier once we start...

Maybe.

BAS
December 10th, 2009, 03:07 AM
im in

MatthewMarchand
December 10th, 2009, 03:56 AM
So who do we have?

Captain Colon
Metalslug
Matt
CaptAsshat
Capt Commie

what's with the file not working? it's just a zip and excel files.

It may feel complicated but it will be easier once we start...

Maybe.

Ah, I don't have excel... that explains it.

Mystrick
December 10th, 2009, 04:06 AM
hmmmmmm. I wanna play... but the whole unit list seems a little too comprehensive for me to look at now... Just count me in and I'll fuck with it

Denwad
December 10th, 2009, 04:33 AM
I want to play, rather inexperienced but i want in.

Polish Hill
December 10th, 2009, 04:45 AM
I'm in

CapnAsshat
December 10th, 2009, 04:59 AM
Are we playing on the forums or on IRC

ScAvenger001
December 10th, 2009, 07:18 AM
At first I thought, "MegaMek campaign again?" Then I saw that it didn't stand for the C3 computer :(

It does stand for the same thing, after all. I wouldn't be against running another one but I figured people were tired of watching mine fizzle and while I'd be happy to support someone else's game I think I was the only one interested in actually running one from the top.

Would it be possible to jump in with a PMC? I did that in one of the previous martystates games, it was pretty fun. Also, is there upkeep for military units or do you just pay for them once upfront?

GrosPoisson
December 10th, 2009, 08:48 AM
Count me in as the leader of Grosnya. When do we need to pick a government type and have our force allocation ready?

Arttemis
December 10th, 2009, 12:52 PM
I'll play.

EDIT: Do "mechanized infantry" have their own vehicles already or do I need to mount them up?

General Bordinko
December 10th, 2009, 02:47 PM
Are we playing on the forums or on IRC

it will be played in the forum games sub fourm. In here we can make many threads about the game and not clutter up the otf.


It does stand for the same thing, after all. I wouldn't be against running another one but I figured people were tired of watching mine fizzle and while I'd be happy to support someone else's game I think I was the only one interested in actually running one from the top.

Would it be possible to jump in with a PMC? I did that in one of the previous martystates games, it was pretty fun. Also, is there upkeep for military units or do you just pay for them once upfront?

Well I have swat and tato doing that. If you would like a slot for your own nation or just wait until someone drops we could do that.

There will be no upkeep for military units with the exception of reinforcement costs but they only happen after a battle.

Count me in as the leader of Grosnya. When do we need to pick a government type and have our force allocation ready?

I will have an excel sheet for picking government types out today. You can use the excel files in the first attachment to play with what you want your military to look like. I will make another post to show how to work it.

fork
December 10th, 2009, 03:55 PM
is there still room for me?

Can you do AI v AI in the older Steel Panthers?

Captain Colon
December 10th, 2009, 04:18 PM
Just to be clear since apparently this is complicated and extremely difficult to figure out :huh:...everything in the spreadsheet is by company, so we'll need a bare minimum of 16-24 units off the list to start with?

Need someone to ally with me and provide AA/ground support so I can have a military composed entirely of UAVs equipped with Hellfire missiles...SKYNET :cool:

*E* For those interested, SPMBT is a free download so you can just get it, put an army together and see how it fares against various combinations. Might help a bit for people who haven't heard of 90% of the units in the spreadsheet that are just going to make an army composed entirely of Sandwiches.

General Bordinko
December 10th, 2009, 04:41 PM
Ah, I don't have excel... that explains it.

Use http://www.openoffice.org/

is there still room for me?

Can you do AI v AI in the older Steel Panthers?

I dont know, let me see who's signed up.

Yes it will be AI v AI in Steel Panthers

Just to be clear since apparently this is complicated and extremely difficult to figure out :huh:...everything in the spreadsheet is by company

Yes

So we'll need a bare minimum of 16-24 units off the list to start with?

Yes 16 companies = 1 division.

You will have a minimum of 2 divisions. Your free headquarters division and minimum made division.

BAS
December 10th, 2009, 07:23 PM
uh why the fuck am I not on the list?

Lord Kelvin
December 10th, 2009, 07:33 PM
I wouldn't be against running another one but I figured people were tired of watching mine fizzle and while I'd be happy to support someone else's game I think I was the only one interested in actually running one from the top.

http://www.treehugger.com/light-bulb-photo35745.jpg

More to come in 2 or so weeks...

Fallschirmjager
December 10th, 2009, 07:42 PM
I'm so fucking in. Can I play SPMBT with you?

GHNNNGNN T55 rage.

I'll be picking German units, FYI.

General Bordinko
December 10th, 2009, 08:14 PM
uh why the fuck am I not on the list?

Because im retarded. That's why.

Five more slots added.

Mystrick
December 10th, 2009, 08:26 PM
I like Dinko's set up, but I sorted the list by nationality for those who want to pick by nation.

-e-

Updated even further

ScAvenger001
December 10th, 2009, 10:15 PM
EDIT: Do "mechanized infantry" have their own vehicles already or do I need to mount them up?
Did the answer to this get posted and I missed it?

General Bordinko
December 10th, 2009, 10:26 PM
EDIT: Do "mechanized infantry" have their own vehicles already or do I need to mount them up?

Did the answer to this get posted and I missed it?

Infantry need to be mounted to be Mech. You need one to one ratio of IFV to infantry.

Polish Hill
December 10th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Alright eff it rather than hoarding this more useful version of the excel table I'll share it. Maybe someone will be thankful/take pity and be my ally/not attack me at some point because of it.

The nice thing about the drop downs is that if you know what you want you can instantly find it. Hmm want a Chinese AT Gun for 2 Dinkos? BAM there's your four choices. Hope this helps.

General Bordinko
December 10th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Our continent takes shape. Many thanks to Tato.

FlamingPotato
December 10th, 2009, 10:45 PM
THE NUMBERS DO NOT CORRESPOND TO THE PLAYER LIST THEY ARE PLACEHOLDERS!
The only set areas are the countries of Deimos, Phobos, Swat's principality, and the island owned by GTS GmBH.

Captain Colon
December 10th, 2009, 10:46 PM
i call a pink one

Polish Hill
December 10th, 2009, 10:46 PM
Initial reactions:
7 and 8 will probably not be best friends
Deimos and Phobos must be the NPC nations but what the fuck random border city?
13 could be very boring but stable, like playing Australia in Risk
I would advise 10 to destroy all bridges

Captain Colon
December 10th, 2009, 10:49 PM
nobody cares what you think

i am going to destroy you

Polish Hill
December 10th, 2009, 10:57 PM
So your saying I shouldn't have only selected Buddhist monks for my army? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Captain Colon
December 10th, 2009, 11:00 PM
no that's good cause i can't kill them without the international community getting mad

ScAvenger001
December 10th, 2009, 11:01 PM
This is meant for fantasy units, but here's a name generator for military units: http://www.seventhsanctum.com/generate.php?Genname=fantasyunit

Captain Colon
December 10th, 2009, 11:27 PM
Aerial Cavalry: The "Patrol Patrolers"
i hate you scav

ScAvenger001
December 10th, 2009, 11:37 PM
<3 colon

Fallschirmjager
December 11th, 2009, 12:00 AM
I got the Sword Swords

Captain Colon
December 11th, 2009, 12:06 AM
1st Company “Endoscope”, 2nd Brigade “Middle”, 1st OPERATOR DIVISION “ONE IN THE PINK FOUR IN THE STINK”

DasHuhn
December 11th, 2009, 05:08 AM
Huhnland shall rule the world! sign me up :viking:

Fallschirmjager
December 11th, 2009, 07:00 AM
Dinko, I mailed you my military. I did not calculate my bonuses for government or that I got all 1 nationality.

Fallschirmjager
December 12th, 2009, 10:07 PM
I Assume that there will be more provinces than on that map?

FlamingPotato
December 12th, 2009, 10:23 PM
I am working on sub-provinces right now, almost done.

Fallschirmjager
December 13th, 2009, 05:52 AM
FUCK YEARrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

CapnAsshat
December 14th, 2009, 06:34 AM
Stupid question, do our division/brigade/unit/team names have to be serious, or can they be shenanigan-arific?

ScAvenger001
December 14th, 2009, 06:57 AM
I'm pretty sure you can do what you want with them. I dare say there are some real life units with "interesting" names.

CapnAsshat
December 14th, 2009, 07:01 AM
Heh, awesome. I've got some interesting ones already lined up.

GrosPoisson
December 14th, 2009, 08:45 AM
Stupid question, do our division/brigade/unit/team names have to be serious, or can they be shenanigan-arific?

I hope it's the latter since I have the "Trench Poopers" and "Watches You Poop" companies in my list.

CapnAsshat
December 14th, 2009, 09:04 PM
I hope it's the latter since I have the "Trench Poopers" and "Watches You Poop" companies in my list.

1st bridage: "Shitting Weasels", 2nd brigade "Jumping Negroes", 3rd Brigade "Jelly on Toast", 4th brigade "Special Ed"

CapnAsshat
December 14th, 2009, 09:24 PM
So, when you spend the money to buy one unit from the list, does that unit fill the entire company, or what?

General Bordinko
December 14th, 2009, 09:53 PM
Yes.

1 unit on the list = 1 company

CapnAsshat
December 14th, 2009, 10:29 PM
Okay, excellent.

ScAvenger001
December 16th, 2009, 08:37 AM
So how many people still need to turn armies in?

General Bordinko
December 16th, 2009, 03:01 PM
Four or five. I'm away from my computer right now. I will have a list of who needs to have what done.

I will also have a primer on orders for units. The map should be done tonight and we should have a game start date by tonight also.

BAS
December 17th, 2009, 02:50 AM
I'm waiting on the map before I turn in my units.

*edit* oh hay a sticky post

GrosPoisson
December 17th, 2009, 02:55 AM
Excellent, my capital of Natatoria is nestled against and sheltered by the Transscrotalian Mountain range. FREEDOM FOREVER! GROSNYA FOREVER!

BAS
December 17th, 2009, 03:04 AM
man I was about to say you fucking got it made on the map. what a bunch of shit.

Arttemis
December 17th, 2009, 12:32 PM
This may be answered in a different post, but is there a way to construct new airbases? It seems like, with a maximum range of 3 provinces, the majority of airbases can scarcely reach other regions at all...

Mystrick
December 17th, 2009, 02:30 PM
In the sticky thread Scav asked the same and tato is like an independent contractor, so if you message him or ask him publicly you'll get a reply :)

CapnAsshat
December 18th, 2009, 04:13 AM
So how many people still need to turn armies in?

I still need to, so at least one. I'm still fine tuning everything. I actually had a question. Are UAVs listed anywhere in here?

Captain Colon
December 18th, 2009, 06:43 AM
have you tried searching for "UAV"

BAS
December 18th, 2009, 11:01 AM
yeah, what the hell

CapnAsshat
December 18th, 2009, 07:41 PM
have you tried searching for "UAV"

Yes. I got the message "excel cannot find the data you requested"

-edit- Nevermind, found them. For some reason even though I didn't have a cell selected, excel was only searching one cell